Another money grab - AB.
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Same way other laws are enforced on crown land I would think? I'd suspect that largely falls on conservation officers? As if they don't have enough work already...
And where do you pay to get in? They are just going to pull up to each person they see and ask for money?
“Vaccination passport and park pass please”
As I understand it's an annual pass that each adult would need to have when you go camping on crown land. I assume you just buy your pass on-line before hand and go camping. Enforcement would likely be just like being asked by a CO to produce a fishing or hunting license. If you have it in your possession your good, if you don't have it your probably going to end up with a ticket I would guess.
I can't imagine CO's are thrilled about having to do this now.......
Unfortunately this is the reality.
steamy teabag
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- Inside Carneys Reich
This comes directly from a proposal with regards to OHV but morphed into this.
On a side note the rumour is it's a left over from the NDP government with a shallow tie to recreational target shooting and the mess left at a particular public range west of yyc but I'd take that with a grain of salt.
The usual exemptions apply.
"The following groups would be exempt:
First Nations people with Status card
north of the Red Deer River, it would not apply to:
Metis Settlement members
recognized Métis harvesters
Aseniwuche Winewak Nation members"
Contact your MLA
https://www.assembly.ab.ca/members/members-of-the-legislative-assembly/constituencies
On a side note the rumour is it's a left over from the NDP government with a shallow tie to recreational target shooting and the mess left at a particular public range west of yyc but I'd take that with a grain of salt.
The usual exemptions apply.
"The following groups would be exempt:
First Nations people with Status card
north of the Red Deer River, it would not apply to:
Metis Settlement members
recognized Métis harvesters
Aseniwuche Winewak Nation members"
Contact your MLA
https://www.assembly.ab.ca/members/members-of-the-legislative-assembly/constituencies
Thats what I would suspect too. If not a paper license, then maybe a decal for your car window like they do for street parking in certain areas of certain cities, or maybe something that you hang off your rearview mirror like they did when Canada turned 150 and they were giving free access to National Park attractions.
In BC its already illegal to gather firewood on crown land without a permit. I am not sure if that applies to all firewood, or only firewood you would be taking home with you though. (that is to say, I'm not sure if gathering sticks to have a fire on crown land is legal or not without a permit, but filling your truck is certainly illegal. But the permit is free, you just need to get it.)
crown land is the peoples land..... anyone who accepts this gross over reach and actually pays for a permit to go camp on crown land is a moron.
The government should be building more camping and recreation areas for public use and attach user fees and the associated contracts to run and maintain those sites.
BC has pay to play sites all over the province which are staffed by BC Parks or Parks Canada. The good thing about BC for hunters is that after a certain date in september, BC Parks sites that aren't gated are free to use and are not staffed till spring. We have lots of them in our area of BC with all the prime fishing lakes around here.
I can understand how some people might think that a yearly pass to access land that is "everybody's" might be a solution to over crowding or messy people but it's not. The money will be siphoned off to general revenue like it always is when greedy politicians start dreaming up more ways to make you Pay to Play.
The scams they run on us like mandatory ATV registration and insurance but none of it covers theft of your machine LOL
and the Canadian Boaters Safety course ..... just another user fee if you want to own or operate a boat or any kind of powered craft no matter how small.
I could go on but if I'm waay in the backwoods camping in a roughed out campsite beside a lake in the middle of no where and some government idiot thinks I should be paying a user fee for that....... nahh..... I don't agree. We all pay enough taxes, accessing crown lands should be free to all.
The government should be building more camping and recreation areas for public use and attach user fees and the associated contracts to run and maintain those sites.
BC has pay to play sites all over the province which are staffed by BC Parks or Parks Canada. The good thing about BC for hunters is that after a certain date in september, BC Parks sites that aren't gated are free to use and are not staffed till spring. We have lots of them in our area of BC with all the prime fishing lakes around here.
I can understand how some people might think that a yearly pass to access land that is "everybody's" might be a solution to over crowding or messy people but it's not. The money will be siphoned off to general revenue like it always is when greedy politicians start dreaming up more ways to make you Pay to Play.
The scams they run on us like mandatory ATV registration and insurance but none of it covers theft of your machine LOL
and the Canadian Boaters Safety course ..... just another user fee if you want to own or operate a boat or any kind of powered craft no matter how small.
I could go on but if I'm waay in the backwoods camping in a roughed out campsite beside a lake in the middle of no where and some government idiot thinks I should be paying a user fee for that....... nahh..... I don't agree. We all pay enough taxes, accessing crown lands should be free to all.
The money from the fees is supposed to go towards trail maintenance and hiring of more fish and wildlife personnel
Problem is that yes they will hire more officers but those officers will be out issuing fines to generate more income for the govt
And trail maintenance? Not gonna happen that’s what the registration fees for ATVs was supposed to be for
All this is is a way to leach more money out of people
If the money actually was used for trail maintenance I would be okay with it as I like to go quadding and it would be nice if the trails got fixed up and more riding areas get added
Problem is that yes they will hire more officers but those officers will be out issuing fines to generate more income for the govt
And trail maintenance? Not gonna happen that’s what the registration fees for ATVs was supposed to be for
All this is is a way to leach more money out of people
If the money actually was used for trail maintenance I would be okay with it as I like to go quadding and it would be nice if the trails got fixed up and more riding areas get added
Fisherguy55
Regular
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- SW Ontario
You will have a better chance at getting an exemption with a fishing or hunting licence than getting it revoked completely. Good luck folks
BigUglyMan
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- New Scotland
$33 a year and you're all talking about western separation? Get a grip on reality. Where is the Province going to get any money to maintain infrastructure in the wildlands? Oil and Gas revenue?
Maybe if we cut back on all the money we've been subsidizing you Easterners with.
Grizz
rifleman762
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What infrastructure? The industrial roads that are built and maintained by/for forestry, oil & gas, and ranchers?
sigh
p.Rundle
CGN frequent flyer
As a lifelong Albertan I find myself universally frustrated. This is a situation where people are messing up the wildlands that I deeply love. There are really only two things that can be done, maintain the standard, or charge a fee for crown land maintenance. If you don't charge and clean up the lands they'll become useless, polluted and filthy--but if you do charge fees, you run the risk of the money not going into the lands themselves, and the UCP have proven time and time again they have ZERO interest in keeping Alberta wild and clean. They are completely useless. Despite what many of you think about the NDP, they actually accomplished most of what they wanted to, and weren't even that different from the UCP. But Notley was at least well-spoken and delivered on MOST of what she said she was aiming for. Perhaps what she did things some of us don't agree with (farm safety bill, cough cough), but she, and the NDP, were more competent than the UCP, by a wide margin. Embarrassing when you consider the actual experience of leadership in the UCP, which is staffed by more experienced, but apparently more idiotic, politicians and bureaucrats. We Albertans sure love our idiotic provincial governments.
If the government does charge fees, you have the disaffected fringe, who think that ANY inkling of change provides the impetus for leaving and forming our own oil nation-state. Which is insane. The only viable separatist movement would be if everything west and north of Manitoba bails. And that is NOT happening. Would it be nice? Maybe, but probably not. The federal government are idiots, for sure, but this issue has nothing to do with them, or anyone other than fellow Albertans.
These are park fees, ideally designed to maintain the forests and mountains. Look at last summer. Trash everywhere, no one cleaning up. Even before COVID most shooters didn't clean up their shell casings. If you want land for your use, take care of it and pick up your f'ning shotgun hulls. Pick up your steel cased 7.62. PICK UP YOUR BEER AND POP CANS. Your right to have access to land for recreational activities doesn't superseed the right for the land to be well-maintained for everyone else. If you don't want the fees, help clean up the parks on your own free time. Whenever I'm out there I try to leave with more trash than I came in with. At least I can honestly say I'm not part of the reason these fees are coming in, can you guys? I hope so.
If the government does charge fees, you have the disaffected fringe, who think that ANY inkling of change provides the impetus for leaving and forming our own oil nation-state. Which is insane. The only viable separatist movement would be if everything west and north of Manitoba bails. And that is NOT happening. Would it be nice? Maybe, but probably not. The federal government are idiots, for sure, but this issue has nothing to do with them, or anyone other than fellow Albertans.
These are park fees, ideally designed to maintain the forests and mountains. Look at last summer. Trash everywhere, no one cleaning up. Even before COVID most shooters didn't clean up their shell casings. If you want land for your use, take care of it and pick up your f'ning shotgun hulls. Pick up your steel cased 7.62. PICK UP YOUR BEER AND POP CANS. Your right to have access to land for recreational activities doesn't superseed the right for the land to be well-maintained for everyone else. If you don't want the fees, help clean up the parks on your own free time. Whenever I'm out there I try to leave with more trash than I came in with. At least I can honestly say I'm not part of the reason these fees are coming in, can you guys? I hope so.
So nothing for day use, or the guys who actually go back woods...
I mean in general if it meant some of the roads were actually maintained I’d be fine with it. I don’t even want to take my vehicle down the road to the “range” area because it’s so rough.
