Kahles 5-25 vs Razor 4.5-27

I would Suggest a Schmidt and Bender 3-27x56 High power in FFP

I actually have a spare I'd let go for super cheap to help someone out.
 
Alpheus said:
No, the eye box shrinks significantly at low power, almost to the point of unusable. Mine did it, and two owned by friends have the same issue.
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Funny, was going to use it for the racegun portion of the X/22 at 4.5X. Seemed to work just fine for me

The 3 Ares ETR I have and the other 3 that my team mates have must be working well then....

YMMV

Jerry
 
I still cant tell if Alpheus is correct and Mystic is good at working with the obstacle or if Alpheus is not correct and the problems he is reporting are not accurate and its actually the best scope ever made.

2 things throw me off about forums like this. 1) if you don't win, or people are not aware of what you win, you are not an expert and your opinion is not relevant or 2) If you win occasionally , and post pictures of your plaques and trophies, it justifies any bad advice and what you use is better than anything because you won something with it some time, or maybe just know of a guy who did.

I know this... a crappy rifle and crappy scope with an accurate proven Kestrel AB will out shoot the best rifle and best scope with no solid dope. Wins are not always why you think.
 
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Why not just get behind one and see for yourself... there are plenty at the matches you attend

I think you even know the owners of a few... I am assuming I know your name (but I could be wrong)

Lots in use in the US so I guess we must all be delusional.... and that could be true too.

Jerry
 
I have the Razor 4.5-27 and I do really like it. It is solid, tracks great, great eye relief and I really like the fact that if I drop it or mess it up in a match that vortex will warranty it.
That being said my buddy has Kahles 624i and I have to say the clarity and functions of it top my Razor and I do want one.
If you are rough on your gear Vortex maybe better, you will also find a better price on the Razor as most sell used for about $2300-$2500 and you likely won’t find a used Kahles often but when you do they are typically still $3000+

If you are looking at new, you can still find the Kahles 624i around and about $1000 cheaper then they 525
 
I'd run the Vortex out of those two, but with that said I have no experience with Kahles. I own several higher end scopes, NF ATACR 5-25, NX8 2.5-20, and a G2 Razor. And when it comes to resolution and putting these scopes side by side you do get what you pay for mind you after a point its splitting hairs. As for the rest just go with a feature set you like, turrets/reticle etc.

The ATACR does have really remarkable glass, but the Razor is damn near as good with them both side by side. I used them reading fine text at 100 yards and there is just the slightest edge to the ATACR. The NX8 is certainly no slouch but its not quite there with the other two and given the difference in price nor should it be. And yes I set all at the same magnification to make it fair. I haven't dove into the "newer" brands on the market but when it comes to the big original brands, NF, Vortex, Leupold you get what you pay for. Don't expect a 1k scope to have the same glass as a 3k one.

The only scope that surprised me in my collection was a Leupold Mark AR which noticeably had better clarity than a Viper PST
Cheers
 
Kahles-Swarovski have professional service; they provide a prepaid shipping label and turn around is about the same as Nightforce, which says a lot.

Regards,

Peter
 
I owned a gen two rzr it was an excellent scope but quite heavy I know why they warranty them haha cuz when you drop your rifle it’s gonna flip upside down and land directly on scope simply due to weight haha but I really enjoyed looking through it
 
Is the nx8 really better than the nxs series? Any complaints with fisheye or other issues? I’m looking at either nx8 2-20 ffp or sfp or an nxs 5.5-22. Can’t make up my mind. Especially with ffp vs sfp. Never had a ffp scope. Will be using it on the vudoo v22 and centerfire build to shoot groups and plink
 
peterdobson said:
Kahles-Swarovski have professional service; they provide a prepaid shipping label and turn around is about the same as Nightforce, which says a lot.

Regards,

Peter
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What's the trick to getting a prepaid return label? I created a RMA for my Swaro with the New York based service center on their website, but haven't shipped it yet. I think I even called in and they didn't mentioned a prepaid return label.
 
Just to muddy the waters, some top shooters are now using Delta in FClass in Canada. Also, Canada's top PRS shooter just bought 2.
 
Mike112288 said:
Is the nx8 really better than the nxs series? Any complaints with fisheye or other issues? I’m looking at either nx8 2-20 ffp or sfp or an nxs 5.5-22. Can’t make up my mind. Especially with ffp vs sfp. Never had a ffp scope. Will be using it on the vudoo v22 and centerfire build to shoot groups and plink
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Mike, Pay close attention to the turrets and get your hands on before you buy. Most of the new crop of scopes have ridiculous features that are intended to give insecure newbies confidence against un-realistic fears like accidentally spinning a turret.

They often cap turrets that should not be capped and even without the cap, many scopes have hard to turn turrets in an effort to over compensate for the fear of accidentally spinning a turret. (Something I have never done in the 40 years I've been involved in long range shooting). Vortex Razor has a pull to turn push to lock feature and you do not need tricks to turn the turret. I saw a guy at a practice match a couple weeks ago struggling to turn his turret because he forgot it locked. He left them extended to turn but when it accidentally got pushed, he got confused and lost time trying to figure out what was wrong. That is a bag of crap nobody should want.

Feel free to pray to any god you want, but when you are talking about the prices these scopes sell for, it is counter productive to pigeon hole your rig to work only in a particular application at the expense of having the versatility to use it for anything.

The NSX line is what made Nightforce for good reason and I have not been much of a fan of whatever else they produced since, for reasons I mentioned here and regardless of glass quality.

Ask yourself if you want to define precision by PRS NRL plate size, or something smaller.

Don't get caught in the trap of more expensive is better. It is true only to an increasingly smaller degree as the price goes up. There is a minimum cost to get good enough (for you) and anything better than that can be hard to notice and may not have an affect on how well you shoot. For me, the ability to read mirage is most important optically, so any scope good enough for that, is optically good enough.
 
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Hi ffgats. If its just informal target shooting at max 500 yards like you mentioned, there are many choices in a variety of price ranges that will serve the purpose well. 500 yards for many medium-priced scopes is very doable and satisfactory as several folks have mentioned.

Since you asked about Kahles and Vortex Razor which are in the higher end price range, I recommend you also consider Minox 5-25x56 ZP5 which is in that same high end family of price and glass quality (and it comes stock with Tenebraex scope caps!). I own one with the M5 reticle and am very happy with it. But its more than twice as expensive as an Athlon, so something to think about. I have never used or looked through an Athlon scope, but I read very good reviews of them, and Jerry's approval of them speaks volumes.
 
Well. Apparently I’m trying a nx8 2-20 ffp moar reticle scope. Should be here early next week I think. Hope I don’t regret the ffp thing. I don’t want the reticle being thick at high magnification. I like shooting small groups on paper and plinking at steel and varmints
 
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