moving on up 375hh to 416 rigby

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Ouch, not on recoil but price of kit. Well took the plunge hence selling my 2 375s. How much more stopping power on actual game is there. Most likely hunting Dagga Boys .Was in Africa 3 times prior to Covid and waiting for things to ease down. was going originally for 470ne double but that's on another level, plus i can get a free Buff for the price difference.In meantime .i can practice on moose here for an urban Safari.
 
i do not know how much more but my dad praised his 416 rigby for all the game he took in those days. he never had a 375. now that you can have bullets in 350 grains the 375 is a different machine as well. i will depend on you and how better you shoot it than the 375s ...

good luck on the project.
 
I found the recoil quite stout compared to various 375 H&H's .
A Connor Mcdavid load of 4831 with 410 grain woodleighs worked well. A frames also have shot well.

I do like how.many rounds I can fit in my Lott vs the Rigby, but one cannot help love that huge Rigby case.

470 will be the next project. They are a bit pricey but good lord a double in 400, 450, 470 or 500 is what dreams are made of! Whenever I think of Africa I think of double rifles and 416 bolt rifles for the big stuff, and 375 H&H for everything else.
 
I got my .416 Rigby with the sincere belief that it would up killing power. In the end; I'm not sure it did that. What it did do is double recoil and halve mag capacity for no gain I could swear to. Don't get me wrong, it was a hoot and I did shoot buffalo and a couple elephants with it.

It's my belief that the higher velocity .375 compensated for a bit more diameter and weight. At least with the .458 and Lott I could see a difference and knew why I was soaking up that recoil and cost.:d

Oh; shoot A-Frames:cool:
 
I just jumped from .375 H&H to .458 Lott... the .375 feels like a .243 after you shoot the Lott a bit.
 
I have a Ruger Alaskan in .416 Ruger and a Sako Bavarian in .375 H&H.
I find both to be a hoot to shoot and I'd have a tough time telling which recoils harder. Both are quite manageable. (ie pump 12ga. "ish")
I'd say the Sako is a tad heavier but it is scoped and the Ruger isn't.
 
Yep, it’s definitely pricier to feed than a 375. I’ve never had a 416 Rigby though as I went with a 404 Jeffery instead.

To be honest I think that the most practical cartridge in that power range is the 416 Remington. It has the performance of the old 416 Rigby loads, the magazine capacity of the 375 H&H, a great variety of factory ammo, and doesn’t need a Rigby sized action. Of course I totally ignored that myself when I chose to go with the .404. I have to admit that it’s hard not to like the 416 Rigby, it’s a true classic. Hope you enjoy your new rifle !
 
CanadaBoy said:
Yep, it’s definitely pricier to feed than a 375. I’ve never had a 416 Rigby though as I went with a 404 Jeffery instead.

To be honest I think that the most practical cartridge in that power range is the 416 Remington. It has the performance of the old 416 Rigby loads, the magazine capacity of the 375 H&H, a great variety of factory ammo, and doesn’t need a Rigby sized action. Of course I totally ignored that myself when I chose to go with the .404. I have to admit that it’s hard not to like the 416 Rigby, it’s a true classic. Hope you enjoy your new rifle !
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the 404 is even more classic on my own opinion of course.
 
In these rifles, the weight and fit of the gun affects the recoil more then the cartridge choice does. All have plenty of stopping power and all have excessive recoil in some rifles.
 
As someone who's thought about it a lot, but will never actually have the chance to go, I question whether it's worth the effort to take a heavy rifle to Africa just to shoot a couple of buffalo. I get the mystique and nostalgia and all that, and I'm as susceptible as anybody, but on a practical level, a .375 is more versatile and the PH would probably prefer you to use a rifle that you can shoot better.
 
I shot various rifles in375H&H (and the AI) and 416 Rigby with full powerhouse loads with 300 gr and 400 gr bullets respectively, before finally building my 375 and 416 caliber rifles.
I used LH Ruger Model 77's for the builds and finally settled on the 376 Steyr (260gr AccuBonds) and 416 Taylor, (350 gr Speer Hot-Cor and TSX) as both fit the donor rifle actions and were different enough to satisfy my desire for something different. Without the need for stopping the DG of Africa here, I am using lighter bullets at modest velocities and finding the recoil very manageable. The 376 Steyr is a pussycat to shoot off the bench! Definitely more recoil with the 416, but it is still quite manageable.
While I may never get to hunt Cape Buffalo in Africa, I do hunt bison here at home and have used the 376 on bison so far. Plan on using the 416 on the next hunt. Would also like to use the 416 on a brown bear.
 
9.3mauser said:
As someone who's thought about it a lot, but will never actually have the chance to go, I question whether it's worth the effort to take a heavy rifle to Africa just to shoot a couple of buffalo. I get the mystique and nostalgia and all that, and I'm as susceptible as anybody, but on a practical level, a .375 is more versatile and the PH would probably prefer you to use a rifle that you can shoot better.
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they re people that can shoot light gun in heavy caliber and there is people than can t shoot a 30-06.

a ph will love someone that can handle safely and shoot accurately any calibers. but sometimes even with a ph things can become really bad and on that time only your safe way and the way you handle your firearms may make the differences.

9.3x62 and 74r are nostalgia and history as the 375 in all the forms and 404 and 416 a step above but the 416 rigby when first appeared was not that much a seller but the reputation went above the market side.

i knew few phs that used the 9.3x62 for back up and then my boss where we used the 460 wea for everything ... long barrel scope and brake on it and it worked.

as of today i really like my 375 ruger with a 20 inch barrel and laminate stock handy and not too light ... but i will be really happy with a 404 jeffery or the shculer version.
 
Use what you want on your buffalo hunt and don't overly worry about what the PH thinks. They don't even agree with each other. Also don't be too concerned about what a PH who hasn't met you thinks of your shooting ability with heavier recoiling rifles; you're the one who knows what you can do. If he wants to judge you by previous clients, ask if its OK if you judge him by PHs that were fraudulent, drunks, or never took out a buffalo licence in their own name once. :)
 
Dogleg said:
Use what you want on your buffalo hunt and don't overly worry about what the PH thinks. They don't even agree with each other. Also don't be too concerned about what a PH who hasn't met you thinks of your shooting ability with heavier recoiling rifles; you're the one who knows what you can do. If he wants to judge you by previous clients, ask if its OK if you judge him by PHs that were fraudulent, drunks, or never took out a buffalo licence in their own name once. :)
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There are laws that prevent you from using “whatever you want on your buffalo”. Depending on the country, refer to your ph.
 
Dogleg said:
Use what you want on your buffalo hunt and don't overly worry about what the PH thinks. They don't even agree with each other. Also don't be too concerned about what a PH who hasn't met you thinks of your shooting ability with heavier recoiling rifles; you're the one who knows what you can do. If he wants to judge you by previous clients, ask if its OK if you judge him by PHs that were fraudulent, drunks, or never took out a buffalo licence in their own name once. :)
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ah ah that one is hilarious depending of the country there are many places where the PH are not even named on the client report and license ...i know some cases where the hunter did not shoot his trophies and even the story about the frozen pantera pantera ... too dangerous too follow before the next morning and some places where shooting animals with lights is illegal ...
 
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