OK, You asked for it ... What are the most overrated RIFLE cartridges?
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The manufacturers are in it to make money!....... that's the bottom line! Would you prefer they went broke. lol
Care to provide some actual facts to go along with these statements? Especially the first two
140 fps in an apples to apples scenario
Hmmm, 140 fps? That must be a reduced load, what 300 H&H load data where you using for your rifle?
I would prefer their made honest product at an honest price. Winchester pre and after 64 shows you how you go down the drain. Remington history shows you what happens to a company if you run it with modern "business methods". You can look at Marlin you can look at Mauser or Weatherby. The moment you start pulling bs our of your ass you get a spike in sales and profit.. for a short while. Then someone comes and takes you place. Remington can't even make a rifle competitive to Tikka anymore. All these big names - they are pathetic. Sig Sauer can't even launch a product without 2 recalls and a lawsuit. Bergara for crying out loud can just come over and totally push Rem 700 on quality and price. Do you see a lot of "3456 bergara short magnum ultra" new cartridges? No, because if you have an honest quality product you don't rely on bs to drive sales.
Now look at all the custom gunsmiths, look at the prices and people pay, why don't buy Savage Axis instead? You can machine rifle actions, just decent quality actions and sell them for the price of an offshelf rifle or two. And people are lining up to buy. Custom barrels - not cheap, people are lining up. Good quality iron sights - not enough stock. Quality stocks - $1k $2k and people are fine even with wait times.
If you have to rely on constant stream of "bs inventions" to keep a company a float, you are already commercially dead.
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Own a 270? You are a victim of marketing hype.
Own any belted cartridge that doesn't require a belt? You are a victim of marketing hype.
Own anything Weatherby or RUM? You are a victim of marketing hype.
I could go on forever
Some cartridges actually offer an improvement over similar cartridges, but they aren't important to everyone. The 6.5 Creed sure has had lots of hype but it does offer improvements over the 6.5x55 or .260 in some areas, but it is up to the individual to decide if these improvements matter to him. Same with the 375 Ruger over the 375 H&H. although the improvements of the Ruger are perhaps more visible and pronounced.
Own any belted cartridge that doesn't require a belt? You are a victim of marketing hype.
Own anything Weatherby or RUM? You are a victim of marketing hype.
I could go on forever
Some cartridges actually offer an improvement over similar cartridges, but they aren't important to everyone. The 6.5 Creed sure has had lots of hype but it does offer improvements over the 6.5x55 or .260 in some areas, but it is up to the individual to decide if these improvements matter to him. Same with the 375 Ruger over the 375 H&H. although the improvements of the Ruger are perhaps more visible and pronounced.
Really?
Try Google.
There are many long essays on why the 6.5 Creed exists.
P.S. If you are happy using a standard length action and going hunting at 200 yards, it doesn't matter what you use.
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I'm not quite sure what you're attempting to say here.
Remington and Winchester lost market share and eventually went broke because they refused to innovate properly and adjust to the realities of American manufacturing. They tried to build an honest product at an honest price, and lost a lot of money.
And trying to compare anything to custom gunmakers is an odd choice. That is an incredibly niche market and the only reason you see wait lists is because the supply is so low.
The ONLY reason 6.5CM exists is because Hornady had marketing budget to push in US. Remington could not do it with 260 Rem as it was going down, and Lapua was too far away with 6.5x47.
All this "magical" crap about 6.5CM is absolute nonsense. 6.5CM cannot compete with many existing hunting cartridges at long range with such a low energy and long range is the only area its slightly better ballistics would matter. Under 300 yards it has less power than 308 and 7-08 and the difference in ballistics is negligible.
For the pure target shooting, it is very mediocre and won't give you any advantage
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It is same the performance as 260 rem was for any REASONABLE PURPOSE you might want to use it for. In fact for practical hunting 7-08 or 308 would be better at close ranges. And going further needs way too much energy you can't get out of 6.5CM. 260 Rem was a fad for 5-7 years and it didn't last. 6.5CM is essential the same fad with a bigger marketing budget and stronger push. If 6.5CM didn't exist - no one would notice.
Please produce a quote where even one person said the 6.5 creedmoor was “magic”
All it does is fit better in a 2.8” mag box.
If you don’t like marketing, don’t buy into it. Who cares.
Would you rather live in a commie state that doesn’t even allow firearms, much less a choice of what cartridge you use? (Sadly we’re on our way there)
What about buying either one with a 1-8 RoT from the factory?
For our grandfathers and dads Weatherby cartridges where the most overrated today it’s the 6.5 CM and the likes.
The fellas arguing against the 6.5 CM sound like a bunch of obtuse followers repeatedly stating what others have already said over and over.
Lame...
The fellas arguing against the 6.5 CM sound like a bunch of obtuse followers repeatedly stating what others have already said over and over.
Lame...
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