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Letters on killer griz
Let's see if we can light these two jokers up.

http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/letters/story.html?id=95daef2a-dcad-4654-9016-388978af0798

Given that Don Peters was in the bear's environment, one wants to hope that cooler heads will prevail, and that the bear will not be executed for doing exactly what he would naturally be inclined to do, and what Peters would have no doubt done to the bear were he able to.

What is it that compels a human to set out with murderous intent, using vastly superior weaponry, to slay innocent victims for their blood-lust, in the victims' homes, and then to further ensure the guarantee of a kill by annihilating the competition -- natural predators?

The answer is smug arrogance, cowardice and avarice, coupled with an inclination to further punish those who would, as in this case, respond in "similar" fashion, even though this grizzly is entitled to protect its territory -- something the human animal seems to have no problem doing.

Michael Alvarez-Toye,

Calgary



http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/letters/story.html?id=af05e391-7306-46bd-af50-66c47e6263ed

Bears - How many times does this need to happen? A person goes into grizzly bear country and gets mauled. Fish and Wildlife officials track down and kill the bear. Repeat. Will the cycle ever end? Who learns from it? Certainly not the people who venture out into the bears' territory.

Do the bears learn? Definitely not. If anything, a bear who mauls a human learns that they are not food.

Please leave the bears alone. They are not encroaching on our habitat. As a symbol of the Canadian wilderness, they should be allowed to flourish and exist in peace

Zev Klymochko,

Calgary
 
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This is absolutely sickening.
I think we should all take the time to send a letter to the Calgary Herald, to put these nitwits in their place.
 
I read this from the Calgary sun today:

GRIZZLY THOUGHT

While I truly feel terrible for Don Peters' family and survivors, this to me is truly the circle of life as we have created it. ("Hunter went down fighting," Nov. 30.) It makes me sick and sad a beautiful animal could be put to death over this. It doesn't matter if the bear was sick or starving or scared -- leave him be! I bet this hunter was scared out of his wits and in a lot of pain and fear when he died. Upon how many animals did this one hunter inflict the same fear and pain over his years of hunting? The circle of life

Katherine Pederson




I poached some lines from other CGNers and sent this to the Calgary Sun:

My reply: :evil:

Regarding GRIZZLY THOUGHT letter by Katherine Pederson:

Miss Pederson is 100% right; nobody should be allowed outside of the city, or inside wilderness areas. Humans have no place there. If any human is reckless enough to go into the wild, that person certainly has no right to defend themself, ESPECIALLY with a legally owned firearm.

God forbid that anybody would legally hunt to put food on the table. Everybody knows hunters are barbaric animal murderers. You saw the movie Bambi didn’t you? It is much more humane to buy your meat from a grocery store. The slaughter houses are a much kinder way to "process" our food. I'm sure Katherine would agree, if you don't see the cow slaughtered, it's almost like it never happened.

The hunter should have stayed in his car on the side of the highway with the doors locked and the windows rolled up. EVERYBODY knows that's how wildlife should be viewed.


Much love,
 
i could be wrong, but guessing from the names and attitudes, they sound like some eurotrash trying to tell us how to run our country. the first guy is definately a post-grad student, i can tell just by the writing and by the sense of superiority that comes through in the writing. he is the type that nietzsche was talking about when the surrest way to corrupt youth was to instruct him to hold those that think alike in higher esteem than those that don't (or something like that).
 
FWIW I don't think there bear should be killed either, but I obviously disagree with the Left-Wing, mountainbikin' enviro yuppies whining about hunters going into the wilderness.

A buddy that I work with assists F&W and has many connections with F&W officers. From what was told the bear was on a (deer) carcass and the hunter stumbled into the area; the bear reacted by killing him.
 
Demonical said:
FWIW I don't think there bear should be killed either, but I obviously disagree with the Left-Wing, mountainbikin' enviro yuppies whining about hunters going into the wilderness.

A buddy that I work with assists F&W and has many connections with F&W officers. From what was told the bear was on a (deer) carcass and the hunter stumbled into the area; the bear reacted by killing him.
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An I'm hearing that he shot the deer and was down off the the stand when the bear came to the shot and got him, hence the fired bullet. Don't know if we'll ever know for sure what happened.
 
smak_daddy said:
I read this from the Calgary sun today:

GRIZZLY THOUGHT

While I truly feel terrible for Don Peters' family and survivors, this to me is truly the circle of life as we have created it. ("Hunter went down fighting," Nov. 30.) It makes me sick and sad a beautiful animal could be put to death over this. It doesn't matter if the bear was sick or starving or scared -- leave him be! I bet this hunter was scared out of his wits and in a lot of pain and fear when he died. Upon how many animals did this one hunter inflict the same fear and pain over his years of hunting? The circle of life

Katherine Pederson




I poached some lines from other CGNers and sent this to the Calgary Sun:

My reply: :evil:

Regarding GRIZZLY THOUGHT letter by Katherine Pederson:

Miss Pederson is 100% right; nobody should be allowed outside of the city, or inside wilderness areas. Humans have no place there. If any human is reckless enough to go into the wild, that person certainly has no right to defend themself, ESPECIALLY with a legally owned firearm.

God forbid that anybody would legally hunt to put food on the table. Everybody knows hunters are barbaric animal murderers. You saw the movie Bambi didn’t you? It is much more humane to buy your meat from a grocery store. The slaughter houses are a much kinder way to "process" our food. I'm sure Katherine would agree, if you don't see the cow slaughtered, it's almost like it never happened.

The hunter should have stayed in his car on the side of the highway with the doors locked and the windows rolled up. EVERYBODY knows that's how wildlife should be viewed.


Much love,
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Unfortunatly, I sent my letter to the Calgary Herald, and immediatly realized my mistake. I appoligised, but I do feel like an ass. Here's the letter I sent to the Sun. All I can say is what a cow.


"Upon reading this piece of trash, written by a city dwelling woman, who probably eats meat, but it's ok because she didn't kill it, I was infuriated. I don't know what makes me more sick. The fact that a woman could be so heartless in a time of the families mourning to say this, or for your paper to publish it."
 
MiG25 said:
i could be wrong, but guessing from the names and attitudes, they sound like some eurotrash trying to tell us how to run our country. the first guy is definately a post-grad student, i can tell just by the writing and by the sense of superiority that comes through in the writing. he is the type that nietzsche was talking about when the surrest way to corrupt youth was to instruct him to hold those that think alike in higher esteem than those that don't (or something like that).
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Well put MiG25, I'll bet you're right. In a way, I don't see KP's letter to the Sun as an attack on the hunting community, but simply a statement that the bear should not be killed. I'm sorry but I happen to agree with her because I don't see it's destruction will benefit anyone.

It is apparent to me that the "hunting" community is not the one calling for the bear's destruction, someone else has issued "that" order. Furthermore, I wonder how these liberals would react if their buddy golfer had been mauled, or if Fido or Fifi had been chewed to bits by a pack of coyotes in Fish Creek Park. Hypocrits is what they are.
 
I'm sorry but I happen to agree with her because I don't see it's destruction will benefit anyone.
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Wouldn't that depend on the sequence of events? If he walked up on a feeding bear by mistake, then certainly the bear was only doing what bears do. If, OTOH, the bear came to the shot, then it poses a danger to other hunter/hikers, and arguably should be shot.
 
2fat2fly said:
Wouldn't that depend on the sequence of events? If he walked up on a feeding bear by mistake, then certainly the bear was only doing what bears do. If, OTOH, the bear came to the shot, then it poses a danger to other hunter/hikers, and arguably should be shot.
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It is a known fact and something that we often discuss with my hunting partners - a gun shot, a whistle or bells dangling off the horses, a lot of these things that people believe will deter a bear is commonly refered to as a "diner bell". What I'm about to say; you must remember that I say with all due respect to the unfortunate victim; but if all predatory animals that lived in the woods were eliminated simply because they behave like predators, then what would we be left with....the Alps? Which incidentally, are cleaned out of wildlife. Bears, cougars, wolves, wolverines, badgers, etc. all pose some level of danger to hunters and hikers...period, that is a harsh reality. But, a reality nonetheless that should not threaten the existence of these animals. The hunter should obviously have known this. The fact that this fellow was hunting in this country unaccompanied sadly wasn't a very good decision. I'd go on my own in the bald-ass prairies north of Brooks, but certainly not in the Highwood range or in the Sundre area just to name a few.
 
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I do not think that the bear should be hunted down and killed. I do not think it should depend on the sequence of events as you stated. If the deer was the bear’s kill, the bear just did what bears do. If the deer was Peter’s kill, the bear just did what Grizzly bears often do and that is take the kill of another hunter/predator. I do not know Don Peters, but because he died hunting I will pay him the respect and assume that he was a good hunter. Now I am going to say something that may sound down right dumb. I think that as hunters we have more in common with the grizzly bear than the anti hunters or the granola crunchers within our species! I think that we should pay the bear the respect he is due. The wilderness is his domain and there he is king. This was an unfortunate encounter between hunter and hunter and the death of the bear will not make this a less sad event.
 
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in BC and I dont know about Alberta, an animal attacks a human and its generaly policy to destroy the animal, hence orange die in bear spray to help identify the attacker after the fact, in some cases you have to use common sence as well, its a hard thing to do when a fellow hunter is killed while hunting but people have to try, we had a teenager mauled here a couple of springs ago by a young grizz, he lived with minor scratches etc, it was deemed his dog had brought the bear to him while being chased by the bear, in the end the bear lived as CO's deemed it not a threat to humans, I would like to hear what the CO's have come up with for a reason before I jumped at an opinion on the bears future from my own point.
Its a crappy feeling to lose a freind, hunting partner or even just an aquantence but starting mass war with the anti's just puts us at there level, win it with common sence and logic ;)
 
I certainly don't have a problem with hunting bears, but I'm not big on the idea of a reprisal killing. A lot of people though believe that not to kill a bear after it kills someone (regardless of circumstance) is to elevate the bear to a position where it's life is more valuable than the life of the person it killed. I don't accept that, and I don't think we should blame a bear for being a bear. If the bear is killed while attacking or feeding on someone that's different, we have the right to defend ourselves against attacks by wildlife. One problem with hunting down a killer bear is the identification of the specific animal hours or days after an attack. I believe that there have been incidents where several bears have been killed after a fatal mauling before the correct bear was killed. This makes no sense. As Bone said, it’s smarter to determine if a specific animal poses a threat to people before killing it. If every bear that posed a threat to people was killed, there wouldn't be many grizzlies or polar bears left, and we wouldn't have any excuse to spend all our money on big rifles. If we are careful to manage the resource, bears will be around to view and to hunt into the foreseeable future. I think the wilderness is a little more interesting with them in it.
 
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