BnT AG APC-9 Non-restricted in stock

Trapanese said:
How much longer is the the receiver on this NR version from yours would you say?
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I was wondering the same thing. The upper receiver on this one looks about as long as the receiver on the restricted apc223. I'm wondering how it would look with a realistically sized faux suppressor versus the big donk hanging off the end of bfiles'.

Last night I kept switching back and forth between the restricted and match pictures and the restricted is definitely way nicer...

As a few others have said it almost makes it not worthit as at the size it's at you may as well get the apc223. Not really a compact looking pcc at this point. I'm torn...
 
richmyster said:
I was wondering the same thing. The upper receiver on this one looks about as long as the receiver on the restricted apc223. I'm wondering how it would look with a realistically sized faux suppressor versus the big donk hanging off the end of bfiles'.

Last night I kept switching back and forth between the restricted and match pictures and the restricted is definitely way nicer...

As a few others have said it almost makes it not worthit as at the size it's at you may as well get the apc223. Not really a compact looking pcc at this point. I'm torn...
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Same reasons why I haven't grabbed one yet. I mean if the price was 3k it would be a significant enough price difference from the 223 to make me jump on it.
 
Trapanese said:
Same reasons why I haven't grabbed one yet. I mean if the price was 3k it would be a significant enough price difference from the 223 to make me jump on it.
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Realize though that the apc9 comes with a t1... which is like an 800-900$ red dot. I see lots of people disregarding this... it would be what I put on the apc9 anyways so I see the value in it being included.
 
richmyster said:
Realize though that the apc9 comes with a t1... which is like an 800-900$ red dot. I see lots of people disregarding this... it would be what I put on the apc9 anyways so I see the value in it being included.
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True but the other hand I already have several high end optics so it would have been nice if the distro left it out of the package to have a distinctively lower price point from the 223.
 
Foxer2373 said:
Does the APC have the Glock lower option? I thought it was only the GMH9-G that did?
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As said, the lower exists and fits fine. For whatever reason we can’t get APC’s with them in Canada. I gotta figure removal of this pin and making a new one wouldn’t be all that hard.
 
You guys wouldn't disregard it coming with the T1, once you see how amazing it shoots out of the box. Like it's already been sighted in and supposedly from what Tyson from Wolverine the T1 co-witness with the irons flipped down
 
Well, you know there’s no requirement to have an FRT. In what way is it not legal? If I could dremel out the APC magwell to fit some other magazine that’s legal.

Heck, I bet I wouldn’t even need to make a new pin, I would never use the lame 5 round lower anyways. The pin is part of the lower, and I’m extremely dubious that it’s even completely solid, it’s had to have been installed somehow, right?
 
rommelrommel said:
Well, you know there’s no requirement to have an FRT. In what way is it not legal? If I could dremel out the APC magwell to fit some other magazine that’s legal.

Heck, I bet I wouldn’t even need to make a new pin, I would never use the lame 5 round lower anyways. The pin is part of the lower, and I’m extremely dubious that it’s even completely solid, it’s had to have been installed somehow, right?
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Why is it pinned then!?!?! Cuz everything gis kosher???

Requirement or not, go right ahead.

Please let us all know how your experience goes

And just cuz it seems you "know" but those pins have a detent in them so dremel away
 
Not sure what the hostility is about here.

I’ve taken my GHM9 apart, there’s only a clip that keeps the pin from fully retracting, and no detent. I’ve talked to guys in the US and their lowers are the same whether for a APC or GHM.

The only thing stopping me is that it’s 4 grand for another PCC that I don’t need, and I haven’t got to see an APC up close to see what they did to make that pin hard to remove.

I have a MCS that came with the Remloc stocks disabled for the Canadian market for some reason, I removed that and duplicated the missing parts, so I’m a bit past dremel usage and unworried about the lack of FRT on NR firearms.
 
I hate to chime in on things like this but here’s the info straight from the supplier/distributor.

“All APC rifles have a permanent front pivot pin. This is a safety feature that was built into the rifles by B&T to prevent any chance of compatibility between the semi-auto APC rifles and their prohibited full-auto versions. This feature aided in the non-restricted status of the APC rifles granted by the RCMP.”
 
rommelrommel said:
Not sure what the hostility is about here.

I’ve taken my GHM9 apart, there’s only a clip that keeps the pin from fully retracting, and no detent. I’ve talked to guys in the US and their lowers are the same whether for a APC or GHM.

The only thing stopping me is that it’s 4 grand for another PCC that I don’t need, and I haven’t got to see an APC up close to see what they did to make that pin hard to remove.

I have a MCS that came with the Remloc stocks disabled for the Canadian market for some reason, I removed that and duplicated the missing parts, so I’m a bit past dremel usage and unworried about the lack of FRT on NR firearms.
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I'll snap pics of mine to show ya then and what hostility!?!?! Saying go and do it for yourself to find out is hostile!??! LMAO OK then

hannibal.black98 said:
Lowers are interchange between the APC9/45 and the GHM9/45...doesn't matter if its for B&T magazines or Glock or Sig P320.
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LMAO I owe an apc and ghm9s I know that but with the APC having a lower that is "permanently" affixed it isn't just a pop on solution, that's why my GHM9 lowers don't work with our Canada compliant APC rifles
 
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MitchCDN said:
I hate to chime in on things like this but here’s the info straight from the supplier/distributor.

“All APC rifles have a permanent front pivot pin. This is a safety feature that was built into the rifles by B&T to prevent any chance of compatibility between the semi-auto APC rifles and their prohibited full-auto versions. This feature aided in the non-restricted status of the APC rifles granted by the RCMP.”
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Fvck me thank you!!!!! For some that didn't quite understand what I was trying to say
 
More then likely why there isn't any APC Glocks available in Canada yet or why Wolverine had such a hard time trying to get the GHM9 glocks approved to begin with.
 
bfiles said:
Fvck me thank you!!!!! For some that didn't quite understand what I was trying to say
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My pleasure. The text in quotations from my comment is unadulterated and as it was sent to me upon questioning if/why there was a non removable lower directly to the importer. I think that should answer anyone’s questions about changing lowers.
 
I guess I misread you but yeah, the mocking go ahead and do it because you think I’ll get fooked legally message I got from that seemed a bit hostile.

Please post a pic of the takedown pin area if you’re willing.

IMO, RCMP stupidity around FRT’s is not what makes a gun NR or not, compatibility with FA lowers doesn’t seem to be in the law anywhere that I see. But, these are the people who want to say the APC9Pro is so different from the APC9 that it needs another 2 years to approve.
 
My bad if it came off harsh...

The front pin is solid and flat on bith sides. Give bit and I'll snap a pic but think of the right side of the pin on the ghm9, rhats how the pin is on both sides on the APC9
 
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