Help Identifying Bulldog

[rjf1963]

Help Identifying Bulldog. I believe it to be an early Webley # 2 in 450 but there is no Webley info. It has 450 and what appears to be British proofmarks on the left side of the barrel and on the righthand side of the frame and on all of the cylinders, there is the #2 under the grips and also on the back side of the cylinder(serial # ?) there is also the # 100 stamped on the bottom of the grips any help is appreciated

 

[Potashminer]

Sorry - could not help it in response to your post's title! This is Ivy - sold to us as an English Bulldog x Old English Bulldog - who knows - Vet says she is 68 pounds of goodness - newest member of our family - and for sure, not what you were asking about!!!

 

[btabin]

Sorry - could not help it in response to your post's title! This is Ivy - sold to us as an English Bulldog x Old English Bulldog - who knows - Vet says she is 68 pounds of goodness - newest member of our family - and for sure, not what you were asking about!!!

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I too thought this would be a dog thread based on the title. I'm sorely disappointed.

 

[Potashminer]

From a few minutes ago - Ivy laying on floor beside "her Grandma Lady" - in the last couple months, this dog has run off black bear, deer, racoons and a couple other things we could not identify in the dark - the Bulldog is totally committed to protecting my wife, yet seems to behave very friendly with other dogs and people, so long as they do not challenge. Ivy was neutered when very young - never had puppies - but uber protective of little kids, kittens, etc. The dog has no smarts or couth - only one reaction to a challenge - just charges in, face first. Maybe like the OP's pistol is meant to be used?

 

[bearhunter]

I have a No2 chambered for 380 Webly.

There are Webly marks and a serial number

The caliber is stamped much nicer, 380 and the overall finish is much better.

There are some proof or inspection stamps on the barrel. Are there any on the rear of the cylinders?

That almost looks to be a Belgian or maybe even a Spanish knock off. Some of the knock offs are very well done and it's only the markings or lack thereof that identifies them as being non Webly.

If it was imported into the UK, it will have acceptance or British proof stamps, which may or may not be able to date the pistol.

Both Belgian and Spanish makers made copies of many Webley models well past 1898 and are impossible to date.

 

[tokguy]

Double tap

 

[tokguy]

actually I think the Belgian one's can be narrowed down by which style the Stamp ELG is in. Belgian ones sometimes have a peculiar screw / pin that the hammer and trigger pivot on... threads are on the end where the slot for the screwdriver is. Neat...but surely different.
Respectfully
Tokguy

 

[rjf1963]

I have a No2 chambered for 380 Webly.

There are Webly marks and a serial number

The caliber is stamped much nicer, 380 and the overall finish is much better.

There are some proof or inspection stamps on the barrel. Are there any on the rear of the cylinders?

That almost looks to be a Belgian or maybe even a Spanish knock off. Some of the knock offs are very well done and it's only the markings or lack thereof that identifies them as being non Webly.

If it was imported into the UK, it will have acceptance or British proof stamps, which may or may not be able to date the pistol.

Both Belgian and Spanish makers made copies of many Webley models well past 1898 and are impossible to date.

There are proofmarks on the sides of each of the cylinders at the bottom of the notches. If it cant be dated clearly then its not worth the risk, it is being advertised as an early Webley but I was sure that it wasnt

 

[tokguy]

There are proofmarks on the sides of each of the cylinders at the bottom of the notches. If it cant be dated clearly then its not worth the risk, it is being advertised as an early Webley but I was sure that it wasnt

If it has ELG in the 'right' stamp... it's a lock as Antique.
A nice looking kit

 

[tumbleweeds13]

I've never seen the knurled ring on the cylinder on a Webley. I'll check my Webley book when I get home tonight, but I suspect it's Belgian. Some of the Belgian guns left there without any proofmarks and were proofed and appropriately stamped when they got to Britian. I strongly suspect that to be the case. My 2cents.

 

[rjf1963]

If it has ELG in the 'right' stamp... it's a lock as Antique.
A nice looking kit

No Elg markings just what appears to be multiple British Proofmarks on the barrel, frame and each cylinder

 

[tokguy]

No Elg markings just what appears to be multiple British Proofmarks on the barrel, frame and each cylinder

Bummer, I had an antique arrive after a trade that was like that. You know it's Belgian, and know it's the right caliber and era... but can't prove it. Had to eat that one.
Ciao
Tokguy

 

[tiriaq]

How long is the barrel?
If it cannot be established that it is pre-1898, it is going to be either restricted or prohibited.

 

[tacfoley]

I'll be honest and say that so far I've seen nothing that looks like ANY kind of English proof mark. More images are required, please, especially of the previously-noted stamps that have not been shown.

 

[tacfoley]

I agree totally with bearhunter's post #5 and tumbleweeds13 in post #10.

In fact, Zhuk's excellent book has more than one illustration that shows a revolver that shares many of the features of this one, but none of them were made by Webley. This illustration, taken from an auction site, shows the excellent fit and finish of this high-grade English revolver, by comparison with the crudely-finished example we see here. Also very clear are the stamps from the maker.

https://www.gunsinternational.com/g...olver---very-scarce.cfm?gun_id=101093165#lg-1

 

[tiriaq]

Many of these Belgian revolvers are the handgun equivalents of the hardware store double guns sold into North America.
Because of the current regulatory situation, they seem to be commanding prices that are unrelated to their quality.

 

[rjf1963]

Will see if I can get some better shots of the proofmarks from the seller

 

[tacfoley]

TBH, anything would be better......

 

[rjf1963]

Pics up of proofmarks

 

[kg]

Take the grips off; sometimes...