What 22 LR barrel + modular chassis options?

markt said:
Thanks for the tip. Do you have a link to a particular thread on Snipers Hide that shows actual proper data? It would help me avoid threads where people just talk in theoretical terms with no real testing or data.
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There's a lot of enthusiasm for fast twist barrels as a solution to the deteriorating performance of .22LR as distance increases. Unfortunately, the enthusiasm doesn't match the evidence. Very little has been published in the way of target information. There are anecdotal reports, but little in the way of hard data. It will be interesting to see such information.

It's notable that the VGW (Vudoo) website doesn't promote fast twist barrels as being superior to standard twist barrels, despite having them available. On Sniper's Hide, Mike Bush, who himself is a fast twist promoter since at least 2019, said in late 2019 that he'd provide the data. This year in February he said he finalized the testing two years ago but has declined to discuss it. Most recently, in May and then in June this year Bush said the data would be shared and discussed soon. It has yet to be seen.

For two long threads with discussions and anecdotal reports on fast twist barrels but no firm data, see h t t p s://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/22lr-twist-rate.6978111/ and h t t p s://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/22lr-twist-rate-advantages.7079413/
 
bigHUN said:
At my new shooting club every range is a lineup but the dedicated 22LR range (20-100 meters) is mostly empty. So why not get one nice piece of art for that convenience?
My taste is not with furniture guns but I like the nakid chassis (modular) the most.
Today in my way home from the range I stop by a store for a good education, also look at the inventory what they have on display. I can get there a MTC (ACC) chassis and a CZ (457) barrel+action, but the CZ doesn't come in a barrel only (at least this what they told me) and I will end up having spare parts (some wood stock) which I have paid for but don't like anyway, and this is actually what I would like to avoid.
What modular chassis + barrel in 22LR you can recommend me to research (possibly available in CA), some nice match grade for competition level scoring?
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What kind of competition are you interested in?
 
Johnny Boom said:
What kind of competition are you interested in?
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I have a big damage sitting after my surgeries and plus sitting in a dark for next two years with BS virus stories and have no idea how long the recovery time would be getting rid of all these BS going around these days.
but I was primarily interested in for http://www.extremebenchrest.com/rules...Im not gonna tell you how much money is in that game over there, you figure it out.
Now starting from here as I said at my new club the 22LR lanes are open, and my experience in competition shooting sports is telling me you always train for longest distance and for worst scenarios. I know this statement is very generic but pretty much describes my first purchase....everything is in the air, improvising on the fly.
 
grauhanen said:
There's a lot of enthusiasm for fast twist barrels as a solution to the deteriorating performance of .22LR as distance increases. Unfortunately, the enthusiasm doesn't match the evidence. Very little has been published in the way of target information. There are anecdotal reports, but little in the way of hard data. It will be interesting to see such information.

It's notable that the VGW (Vudoo) website doesn't promote fast twist barrels as being superior to standard twist barrels, despite having them available. On Sniper's Hide, Mike Bush, who himself is a fast twist promoter since at least 2019, said in late 2019 that he'd provide the data. This year in February he said he finalized the testing two years ago but has declined to discuss it. Most recently, in May and then in June this year Bush said the data would be shared and discussed soon. It has yet to be seen.

For two long threads with discussions and anecdotal reports on fast twist barrels but no firm data, see h t t p s://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/22lr-twist-rate.6978111/ and h t t p s://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/22lr-twist-rate-advantages.7079413/
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This is my concern as well. I'm not willing to make a $500 bet on something unproven. I'll just wait for the various barrel makers to release some hard data and share it openly.
 
I think Ryan at IBI has determined that the 1-16 twist is the way to go. He posted it on Canadian rimfire precision series on FB
 
emerson said:
Call him. The number on the website is his phone.
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Thanks. At this stage, I'm just contemplating a build and don't want to waste his time. In the end, it would be easier if these vendors just published their data for the benefit of us all rather than them take endless calls on the same topic.
 
markt said:
Thanks. At this stage, I'm just contemplating a build and don't want to waste his time. In the end, it would be easier if these vendors just published their data for the benefit of us all rather than them take endless calls on the same topic.
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I think it’s tough because many users will not use match ammo and do some lot testing, so will complain about results. If a potential user is unwilling to contact the manufacturer I guess it’s not that important. $500 is a pittance compared to most gunnie’s safe contents. 2 bricks of X-Act will cost more. I will buy one of those barrels at some point. There seems to be no downside to the faster twist up close, and the price is the same. Precise Rimfire results past 200 are a relatively new thing for us, and there are many other variables that have a lot of impact too.
 
Interesting information about barrel twist rates, I had always the impression that the long range rifles have lower twist rate (lower then airguns in example because of a higher speed/power).
My FX Impact 700mm long barrel in .25 cal (airgun) in example is 1:27 for medium weight pellets and 1:21 for medium weight slugs, and for heavy slugs 1:18. Manufacturer disclosed numbers, and they recommend the projectile Brand/Weight as well, no hidden or you to chase to find the info.
 
bigHUN said:
Interesting information about barrel twist rates, I had always the impression that the long range rifles have lower twist rate (lower then airguns in example because of a higher speed/power).
My FX Impact 700mm long barrel in .25 cal (airgun) in example is 1:27 for medium weight pellets and 1:21 for medium weight slugs, and for heavy slugs 1:18. Manufacturer disclosed numbers, and they recommend the projectile Brand/Weight as well, no hidden or you to chase to find the info.
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The same as centerfire twist rates based on stability of heavier bullets for the same caliber. Stability calculations are relatively easy for anyone who is mathematically minded. You have to use the projectile you plan to shoot. On paper the usual 1/16 twist 22LR provides the required stability for 40gr bullets. Over spinning too hard can dismember a bullet, but a little over stabilizing isn’t a problem for most centerfire shooters.

I apologize for assuming that preceding info was understood. It’s easy to forget how far down the rabbit hole a guy already is.

Reducing the excess vertical dispersion in long range 22LR groups might profit from a faster twist. Once a person starts trying to get good 22LR groups past 250M they start to understand the frustration of nailing down all the variables as much as possible. For you, buying an Anschutz bench rest rifle, or something similar would probably fill your needs. Prs and benchrest styles profit from different tools.
 
emerson said:
I think it’s tough because many users will not use match ammo and do some lot testing, so will complain about results. If a potential user is unwilling to contact the manufacturer I guess it’s not that important. $500 is a pittance compared to most gunnie’s safe contents. 2 bricks of X-Act will cost more. I will buy one of those barrels at some point. There seems to be no downside to the faster twist up close, and the price is the same. Precise Rimfire results past 200 are a relatively new thing for us, and there are many other variables that have a lot of impact too.
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Agreed. All testing and results need to be with the correct ammo. I suggest SK Rifle Match or equivalent would be a good place to start. Then, run two barrels, one in each twist, through the same action, maybe a CZ 457 since barrel changes are easy. After that, show us all how much better the faster twist is at 200 yds and beyond. Maybe spread the testing out a few days to account for atmospheric variables.

Otherwise, it's really just a leap of faith to spend $500 on something that may end up being not as good.
 
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