100M/YD 22LR 10 rnd groups
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I thought I'd try at 100 yards again with my "homemade" targets on 65 lb cardstock. Next time I can use the official, standardized target as when I returned home from the range I learned that I could go and pick up the photocopied official targets.
I used the best lot of Center X I currently have. It's given me some consistent results at 57 yards (my range's version of 50), but it's not good enough to come near to shooting sub-.25" groups regularly. Better ammo is required for that very elusive goal, so maybe shooting at 100 can provide a diversion from the frustration of not having ammo that really shines at half the distance.
Note that on the first target on the left, the bottom left group is a five-shot group. It looked so good that I thought I'd keep it as it was. The group to the right has nine shots in a very nice group, with one inevitable errant shot.
The three group averages are .898, .834, .920, and .993".
I used the best lot of Center X I currently have. It's given me some consistent results at 57 yards (my range's version of 50), but it's not good enough to come near to shooting sub-.25" groups regularly. Better ammo is required for that very elusive goal, so maybe shooting at 100 can provide a diversion from the frustration of not having ammo that really shines at half the distance.
Note that on the first target on the left, the bottom left group is a five-shot group. It looked so good that I thought I'd keep it as it was. The group to the right has nine shots in a very nice group, with one inevitable errant shot.
The three group averages are .898, .834, .920, and .993".
I thought I'd try at 100 yards again with my "homemade" targets on 65 lb cardstock. Next time I can use the official, standardized target as when I returned home from the range I learned that I could go and pick up the photocopied official targets.
I used the best lot of Center X I currently have. It's given me some consistent results at 57 yards (my range's version of 50), but it's not good enough to come near to shooting sub-.25" groups regularly. Better ammo is required for that very elusive goal, so maybe shooting at 100 can provide a diversion from the frustration of not having ammo that really shines at half the distance.
Note that on the first target on the left, the bottom left group is a five-shot group. It looked so good that I thought I'd keep it as it was. The group to the right has nine shots in a very nice group, with one inevitable errant shot.
The three group averages are .898, .834, .920, and .993".
Nice to see what is reasonable to expect for 10 round groups at 100 with a good setup and shooter. Exactly the kind of info I was hoping to for. Thank you.
I think I might be sorely disappointed with those results at 57 yards. I shot these at the maximum distance at my range, a nominal 100 that actually measures 98 yards.
Edit to add: Today, on Aug. 5, 2021, I measured the distance from the end of the building used for 100 yard shooting. Earlier I had estimated a line equal to the 57 yards that is the 50 yard part of the range. I was off a little. The distance is 296 feet or 98.67 yards.
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Good point. I should clarify that I make all my own target designs on computer, so I own the images and printing is not an issue.
I use PowerPoint. For those wanting to design their own targets on computer, PowerPoint is very easy to use and you can make just about anything to scale down to tenth of an inch precision. Its possible to change the settings and work in metric. I keep it in inches which is handy for rough sizing rings and dots and grids in MOA multiples or fractions of MOA.
Tip: PowerPoint has a software bug for setting the paper sizing and the resultant scale image. If not addressed, it will wreck your scale. But there is an easy work-around. Start a new file. On the first slide, BEFORE you add any lines or designs, click "Design" in the upper tool bar. Then click "Slide size". When the slide size window pops up, choose your paper size. But this is a PP lie. The bug is that the height and width do not default to the paper size. You have to also set the height and width to 8.5 x 11, or 8.5 x 14, or 11 x 17. If you do not do this redundant step, the scale will be off and your targets will be distorted. Chose also landscape or portrait. When you click OK, a box will pop up, asking if you want it to fit to paper or maximize: ALWAYS choose "Maximize". Otherwise it may shrink your image to fit into an imaginary margin. Once this critical design step is done, you are good to go and start drawing.
Once done and project saved, you can then "save as" a PDF, and the PDF should scale perfectly to exact size. If it does not, then something went wrong in the design set up.
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I did like what you wrote about the 5 group as a keeper , some time I like to
stop with a nice group just as the next time when you get in a grove and
keep on to 15 , 20 or more.
This is for OkayShooter commenting on needing a different target to use for IRONS. Not really, try this. Take whatever size target you need for irons, say a 8” black circle at 100. Staple that to the bottom target frame, on the lower 1/2. Next, staple your ACTUAL targets above, say 12” over the black. Sight in on the black, then adjust your IRONS (12 MOA UP, 2MOA left/ Right whatever) to hit the ACTUAL targets. They can be 1/2” dots, doesn’t matter. This can be quite amusing when you return with your target having 1/2” dots and other shooter think you must have EAGLE vision to shoot at those dots WITH IRONS,!!!
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Thanks, seems like it would be alot of trial and error. To be able to take 1 POA and get it POI on 3 different locations. Then could run into issues not having enough adjustment.
Could I super impose a black circle over? Like place it over one of the three targets, shoot and remove it. Place another on the other etc etc?
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If the big 8 inch overlay black circles were overlapped on the target, perhaps you could fit all 3 and avoid having to run down and move the single overlay. Set your irons for the front post to be at 6 o'clock. The target can be placed horizontal or vertical. Whatever is in the bottom, overlay those big circles first with the bottom of the overlay circle close to the bottom of the target bull underneath. Then overlap the top circles on top in a different colour (red is a good colour for contrast), and aim at 6 o'clock for the red top circles.
By aiming the front post at 6'oclock you minimize the elevation needed for the group to be inside the target bull.
Cool idea, I may try that with my CZ sporter with irons.
Put a 8" bullseye target exactly on the center of your target for groups.
Move your sights 1.9" right and three inches up to shoot your first target.
Move your sights down 5.5" and shoot the target lower right.
Move your sights 3.6" left and shot the lower left target.
All you need is great confidence in your ability.
Wish I still had my BSA Martini.
Should work. Submit both your bullseye target and your target for groups and I would cut you some slack.
Move your sights 1.9" right and three inches up to shoot your first target.
Move your sights down 5.5" and shoot the target lower right.
Move your sights 3.6" left and shot the lower left target.
All you need is great confidence in your ability.
Wish I still had my BSA Martini.
Should work. Submit both your bullseye target and your target for groups and I would cut you some slack.
Iron and diopter sights are two very different things. With diopter sights (the kind of aperture sights used on Olympic-style shooting, including a front globe) may give shooters posting here a fighting chance of shooting ten-shot groups within the official target's 7 ring. It might be asking too much to expect to do it with regular irons.
Had a perfect day to head to the range, nice and calm with overcast to minimize mirage. Figured I'd post these here, a few pesky fliers spoiled my targets. Still using up the ammo I bought last year, turns out these lots aren't that great. Seems to me that shooting sub 3/4" at 100 is a similar challenge to 1/4" at 50 yards. I think if I can get a target that at least averages under 3/4", I'll go ahead and enter that into horseman's challenge.
In the interest of this thread, I thought I'd see how some cheaper ammo performs. Here is BBM HV, manufactured by RWS. Was about $4.50/box when I picked up 3 cases of it a couple years ago. Not bad, more fliers than the higher grades though.
In the interest of this thread, I thought I'd see how some cheaper ammo performs. Here is BBM HV, manufactured by RWS. Was about $4.50/box when I picked up 3 cases of it a couple years ago. Not bad, more fliers than the higher grades though.
The small groups shown by Rabid above at .543" and .615" are very impressive. The best I've been able to do is not nearly as good, and it's only one group.
I have to say that shooting at 100 has been a pleasant and welcome diversion. After two years of relentlessly but fruitlessly pursuing five consecutive sub-.25" groups on one target at half the distance, this is providing some satisfaction. To be blunt, I was a bit uncertain that sub-1" ten shot groups could be realized as relatively frequently as they appear to be. Misplaced as it was, my scepticism was no doubt a product of focusing solely on shooting at 50.
Even if it's not consistent enough for the 1/4" club, ammo that is consistent at 50 can give good results at 100.
I have to say that shooting at 100 has been a pleasant and welcome diversion. After two years of relentlessly but fruitlessly pursuing five consecutive sub-.25" groups on one target at half the distance, this is providing some satisfaction. To be blunt, I was a bit uncertain that sub-1" ten shot groups could be realized as relatively frequently as they appear to be. Misplaced as it was, my scepticism was no doubt a product of focusing solely on shooting at 50.
Even if it's not consistent enough for the 1/4" club, ammo that is consistent at 50 can give good results at 100.
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R and G.. fantastic shooting and thanks for posting the targets. Sounds like we are hitting an average of around 0.8 to 0.9" (sub 1") as being a really good average when shooting larger sample rd groups. Biggest vs smallest groups can have quite the spread... even with very good setups and ammo. Hopefully, this will help more shooters understand that the zinger wasnt a shot they 'pulled'.... it really is a flyer... and with rimfire ammo, even match ammo, you are going to get zingers.
The weather here has been far less friendly to shooting groups... but I did have a really good afternoon shooting for score instead.
But that will be for another post...
hope everyone gets out and just enjoys whatever form of shooting that will help them improve their skills and fun level.
Jerry
The weather here has been far less friendly to shooting groups... but I did have a really good afternoon shooting for score instead.
But that will be for another post...
hope everyone gets out and just enjoys whatever form of shooting that will help them improve their skills and fun level.
Jerry
That's what it's all about. It's been nice to change things up a little, a couple things I was working on at 50 yards kinda fell flat.
Hey grau, 0.632" isn't too far off from 0.615"
I might use up all my RWS before I produce groups like that again, then I'll have to see how my last brick of Eley Match does. For the heck of it, I sorted my RWS with the G3 rim-ogive measuring tool. There just doesn't seem to be any way to sort out which rounds will be fliers, though.
