HU: Norinco '.22 KKW Trainer' (now with pics)

skirsons said:
From the manual:

"A sportinting rifle of the finest guality."
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"Sportinting" is also mentioned in the title of the manual.

Typos and misspellings abound (much like my typing and spelling skills)

on the last page.

6 CAUTION
1). After the rifle has been fried, first inspect the chamber and the magazine to be sure all live rounds are cleared.

There is no explantion or instructions on how to "fry" the rifle. But I'm sure there will be folks who follow instructions to the letter and will figure out a way.

I like the rather creative use of the English Language in this manual.

I have a JW-15 Norinco .22 that has seen more than 5,000 rounds. It is more accurate than ever. The manual said the barrel life would be 5,000 rounds. There isn't even a hint of wear and the action of the gun is still tight and smooth. I suspect it will take 10,000 or more rounds to even begin show measurable wear.
 
I like the rather creative use of the English Language in this manual.
I have a JW-15 Norinco .22 that has seen more than 5,000 rounds. It is more accurate than ever. The manual said the barrel life would be 5,000 rounds. There isn't even a hint of wear and the action of the gun is still tight and smooth. I suspect it will take 10,000 or more rounds to even begin show measurable wear.[/QUOTE]

Barrel life only 10.000 rounds,?
?I have been knowing from a friend that with a proper cleaning the barrel is working a lifetime.


Keep on working milions on wellfare depend on you
 
cornelunc said:
I like the rather creative use of the English Language in this manual.
I have a JW-15 Norinco .22 that has seen more than 5,000 rounds. It is more accurate than ever. The manual said the barrel life would be 5,000 rounds. There isn't even a hint of wear and the action of the gun is still tight and smooth. I suspect it will take 10,000 or more rounds to even begin show measurable wear.
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Barrel life only 10.000 rounds,?
?I have been knowing from a friend that with a proper cleaning the barrel is working a lifetime.


Keep on working milions on wellfare depend on you[/QUOTE]

I suspect the barrel will last longer than the action. Opening and closing an action 10,000 times is going to wear and loosen it up. Faster if you are in a dusty environment and keep the action oiled so it gathers dust (grinding compound). The accuracy will drop off but very likely because the bolt doesn't close as tight as it used to - just like an old cooey that has worn locking surfaces on the bolt.
Please note that there is no visible wear on the barrel or action after 5,000 rounds, that may come. I doubt if anyone has ever tested a .22 rimfire barrel to the point where it has been worn out. They would go broke buying ammuntion.
Also cleaning a .22 rimfire barrel just may cause more wear than actually shooting it...
 
albayo said:
I have a JW-25A Norinco .22 and the front sight could be used for splitting logs. It must be made out of a left over axe blade.
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Durable isn't it!
It might be knocked out of place but during "normal" use it will never bend or break.
The proper terminology is "rugged"!
 
10x said:
Barrel life only 10.000 rounds,?
?I have been knowing from a friend that with a proper cleaning the barrel is working a lifetime.
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PS I cannot verify the accuracy of the statement, but if you google around there is one person on the net that says the entire barrel on the Norinco .22's is heat treated.

If that's true, you're not wearing that barrel out in this lifetime!
 
I ordered one today. Also ordered a spare mag at $15. Anyone know if the mags interchange with Brno/Cz rimfires since the action seems to be based on the Brno?
 
Well, I ordered one late morning yesterday and it arrived UPS mid afternoon today, shipping cost was $25. I know a lot of people dis Lever Arms but I sure have no complaint about this deal.

The rifle was dripping in runny cosmoline but cleaned easily with rags and WD 40. The barrel is well made and finished but a lot of the small parts are very rough. I think I'll completely disassemble the bolt and polish all the small parts, there are grinding or file marks showing on most of them. The mag needed a bit of fitting but now feeds very well. The stock finish doesn't look bad, it seems to have a heavy stain on it, I may eventually refinish it.

For $99 I have no complaints.
 
i disassembled the bolt and boiled the pieces in dishwasing soapy water..almost wouldnt (dry)fire.. it was so packed with the gunk.

after reassembly and lube it seems to me it has a weak fire...i'm gonna try and get out to the range this weekend and give it a go. :ninja:
 
Weak striker fall.

aftermidnight said:
i disassembled the bolt and boiled the pieces in dishwasing soapy water..almost wouldnt (dry)fire.. it was so packed with the gunk. after reassembly and lube it seems to me it has a weak fire...i'm gonna try and get out to the range this weekend and give it a go. :ninja:
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I noticed that too, but it seems to be making a sharp, clear indent on the rim of a fired case. I'll try to get out tomorrow, too, but I'm a wus and the weather is cold (for BC).

I found that the Norc will accept a CZ mag without problems but that the Norc mag will need a bit of "refining" before it will fit smoothly in the CZ, but all the dimensions and latch points seem to be the same.
 
good to hear i'm not the only one.. sorta..:p

i dont have any empty's around and i dont think the neighbours would quite understand my need to 'experiment'...lol..

whats that smell?? thats lead in the air!! :ninja:
 
Good to know Lever Arms brings this little cool rifle at this cheap price.
A good friend picked one up today and I couldn’t wait to see it, so I had a look at it.
I hope I will have the time to drop by Lever and buy one before they run out.
His is denominated JW 25A, on the box and in the papers.
So, my questions to the thread starter is:
Where did you find the “KKW” (from the title of the thread)? Is yours named like that? That is a very interesting name, because it is a whole different ballpark, from what I remember.
I can’t wait for your answers. Thanks
 
762shooter said:
I ordered one today. Also ordered a spare mag at $15. Anyone know if the mags interchange with Brno/Cz rimfires since the action seems to be based on the Brno?
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The mags from my Norinco JW25A and Brno (a No. 4) interchange and work quite nicely, which is handy as I have a couple of the Brno 10 rounders that are more fun in the JW25A than they are in the heavy Brno target rifle.

A friend of mine has an older model CZ-452 that was having trouble feeding reliably from the factory mag. I happened to have my Norinco at the range that day so we swapped mags - his rifle worked perfectly with the Norinco made mag. My Norinco worked fine with either mag. So he kept the Norinco mag and I kept the CZ mag.

My JW25A is from a batch that were probably imported 8 to 10 years ago and it's pretty roughly finished (especially compared to the CZ action it copies), however it works well and is accurate enough. At $99 I'm tempted to get another .
 
Dr.Lector said:
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So, my questions to the thread starter is:
Where did you find the “KKW” (from the title of the thread)? Is yours named like that? That is a very interesting name, because it is a whole different ballpark, from what I remember.
I can’t wait for your answers. Thanks
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I'm not the starter of the thread, but I think this might shed some light. As per the Marstar website:

"Norinco's version of the famous German military training rifle of the 1930's has proven quite popular with target shooters and military buffs across Canada. Patterned after the Mauser KKW bolt action rifle used to train the Wehrmacht, the Norinco JW-25A has the added benefit of a detachable 5 round magazine! "
 
Mine came in on Friday. I just finished getting most of the cosmo out of the gun - it really required a complete disassembly as there was a lot under the action and handguard.

One question - how does the bolt take down? The directions (in Chinesenglish) say to push the plunger in and simply lift the safety free. I setup a dowel in a vice, pushed the plunger as far as it will go and I still cannot get the safety out. Is it supposed to simply pull straight out? Looks in the schematic like an "L" shaped piece.

KKW = Kleinkaliber Wehrsportgewehr
 
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