HU: Norinco '.22 KKW Trainer' (now with pics)
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Thanks.
A flush with brake cleaner and pulling up at "the magic spot" did it. Full of cosmo and a really nasty burr on the safety that might have been making it stiff to come out.
A flush with brake cleaner and pulling up at "the magic spot" did it. Full of cosmo and a really nasty burr on the safety that might have been making it stiff to come out.
MauserMike
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It has a grooved receiver and a side mount.
MauserMike
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PS - what size is the dovetail on this rifle if I want to put some scope rings on it? It doesn't say in the manual.
I don't know squat about side mounts but from what I am reading on the net it is a non standard mount and the norinco mount is next to impossible to find.
Any help?
I don't know squat about side mounts but from what I am reading on the net it is a non standard mount and the norinco mount is next to impossible to find.
Any help?
The receiver is grooved for a tip-off mount. Unless these are different from others which I've seen, the bolt handle is shaped like a turned down Mauser - its not low scope comaptible like the other Brno copies.
There rifles are stocked up to look vaguely like a little Mauser. They have nothing to do with the KKW, K98K, etc. The action is a version of the Chinese clone of a Brno, like those widely used on their other .22 and .22Mag clones. The magazines are similar to, and may interchange with a real Brno, perhaps with minor fitting. Like many Chinese rifles, attention to detail and QC may be a bit erratic. For $99, a bit of tuning isn't unreasonable. Not much else on the market in that price range.
There rifles are stocked up to look vaguely like a little Mauser. They have nothing to do with the KKW, K98K, etc. The action is a version of the Chinese clone of a Brno, like those widely used on their other .22 and .22Mag clones. The magazines are similar to, and may interchange with a real Brno, perhaps with minor fitting. Like many Chinese rifles, attention to detail and QC may be a bit erratic. For $99, a bit of tuning isn't unreasonable. Not much else on the market in that price range.
Stripping bolt.
X 2. That is the key step, rotate the bolt handle so the center of the safety is in line with a curved recess in the rear end of the bolt handle and the striker drops to uncocked position. Then when you depress the takedown button the safety will lift right out. When re-assembling, as a last step grip the bolt body and rotate the bolt handle back to cocked position before putting it back in the receiver.
Now that I have had a really good look at it I'll report on what I notice.
The stock is well finished, no complaints. The surface finish on the barrel and receiver is quite good but the machining on the back end of the receiver is rough, I had to remover burrs and sharp edges. The safety was badly fitted and very stiff, the knob end of the safety was filed to a rounded point that really didn't even fit the safety notch properly so I reshaped and polished both bearing surfaces and now it works fine. The back end of the striker was very rough, just a crude filed finish so I polished it with fine emery cloth while I had the bolt apart. The mag didn't drop free or slide in smoothly so I carefully filed down the ends of the rivets and knocked off all sharp edges, it work perfectly now. The bolt body is reasonably well finished, the extractors look well made and the rifle feeds, fires, extracts and ejects perfectly.
The front sight was just slapped in, way off to one side, once sighted in the blade was centered on the ramp. My rifle shoots way low for the sight settings. I had to set the sight to 125 to zero at 25 yds and 150 to zero at 50 yards. I may have to file down the front sight blade but I think I'll try a rubber pad as a pressure point at the front of the barrel channel before I decide to file the sight down.
Overall what do I think? Cool looking, working well now with just a bit of effort. Is it worth $99 plus shipping and taxes ($140)? Absolutely. Would I pay $200 plus taxes and shipping? Not a chance.
X 2. That is the key step, rotate the bolt handle so the center of the safety is in line with a curved recess in the rear end of the bolt handle and the striker drops to uncocked position. Then when you depress the takedown button the safety will lift right out. When re-assembling, as a last step grip the bolt body and rotate the bolt handle back to cocked position before putting it back in the receiver.
Now that I have had a really good look at it I'll report on what I notice.
The stock is well finished, no complaints. The surface finish on the barrel and receiver is quite good but the machining on the back end of the receiver is rough, I had to remover burrs and sharp edges. The safety was badly fitted and very stiff, the knob end of the safety was filed to a rounded point that really didn't even fit the safety notch properly so I reshaped and polished both bearing surfaces and now it works fine. The back end of the striker was very rough, just a crude filed finish so I polished it with fine emery cloth while I had the bolt apart. The mag didn't drop free or slide in smoothly so I carefully filed down the ends of the rivets and knocked off all sharp edges, it work perfectly now. The bolt body is reasonably well finished, the extractors look well made and the rifle feeds, fires, extracts and ejects perfectly.
The front sight was just slapped in, way off to one side, once sighted in the blade was centered on the ramp. My rifle shoots way low for the sight settings. I had to set the sight to 125 to zero at 25 yds and 150 to zero at 50 yards. I may have to file down the front sight blade but I think I'll try a rubber pad as a pressure point at the front of the barrel channel before I decide to file the sight down.
Overall what do I think? Cool looking, working well now with just a bit of effort. Is it worth $99 plus shipping and taxes ($140)? Absolutely. Would I pay $200 plus taxes and shipping? Not a chance.
aftermidnight
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762.. what did you use to drift the front sight? i tried the trusty dowell but mines in there like the Great Wall... not budgin...
aftermidnight
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thanks
MauserMike
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762shooter's assessment is right on the money. I will also have to do as he as done. Also, I would like to put a better polish on the white parts of the bolt.
Here's some photos I shot this morning (and before photos). The gun comes in very plain packaging, wrapped in plastic and covered in cosmoline. (under the Christmas tree of course)
Here are some closeups giving you an idea of the finish. The ladder sight could use some polishing.
One of the feed lips on the magazine was really high and making the bolt travel rough. I bent it down but you can see where the bolt took the colour off it. That's not rust in there BTW - just a funny reflection off a spot of oil.
The rear scope mount has two corners taken off and left in the white - back left and front right. I might try to round it off a bit and reblue.
Finish on the bolt is not too bad - will probably smooth out with some polishing.
Family photo - comparing size against my ERMA 41 K98k. I like how it matches my cupped buttplate.
All in all, its a decent gun for the money. I'm a tinkerer so I don't mind having to fool around with it a little.
Merry Christmas! I think any of our kids would love to see this on the morning of the 25th.
Here's some photos I shot this morning (and before photos). The gun comes in very plain packaging, wrapped in plastic and covered in cosmoline. (under the Christmas tree of course)
Here are some closeups giving you an idea of the finish. The ladder sight could use some polishing.
One of the feed lips on the magazine was really high and making the bolt travel rough. I bent it down but you can see where the bolt took the colour off it. That's not rust in there BTW - just a funny reflection off a spot of oil.
The rear scope mount has two corners taken off and left in the white - back left and front right. I might try to round it off a bit and reblue.
Finish on the bolt is not too bad - will probably smooth out with some polishing.
Family photo - comparing size against my ERMA 41 K98k. I like how it matches my cupped buttplate.
All in all, its a decent gun for the money. I'm a tinkerer so I don't mind having to fool around with it a little.
Merry Christmas! I think any of our kids would love to see this on the morning of the 25th.
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I have had one of these for a while... I recently decided to refinish the 'battle-scarred' furniture. Sanded it down with a stripper wheel and dremel, and took some Varathane 'teak' gel stain and some varnish and did 'er up. The wood underneath is like a very light hardwood with oaky grain to it... the varnish really brings it out and makes it look beautiful. The finish they had on there before was almost like a thinned brownish paint. Now its a very deep grain. It looks even better in reality than the pictures; I recommend doing this to everyone who's got one of these.
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