308 and moose at 600m to 700m?

Okay just for discussion, which would you bet your money on and why?
Scenario #1: Standing moose at 392 yards, once a year hunter who shoots 10-30 rounds a year during one or two trips to the range just to make sure his gun is "on", shooting a .308 scoped with a 3-9x40 hunting scope? or
Scenario #2: Standing moose at 621 yards, avid shooter who shoots 1000 - 3000 rounds a year at various ranges, shooting a .300 Win. Mag, scoped with a quality higher powered scope ( 4-16x50 or more) who easily makes regular hits on less than moose sized targets at 500-700 yards, still likes to hunt occasionally?
 
Bad Bob said:
Okay just for discussion, which would you bet your money on and why?
Scenario #1: Standing moose at 392 yards, once a year hunter who shoots 10-30 rounds a year during one or two trips to the range just to make sure his gun is "on", shooting a .308 scoped with a 3-9x40 hunting scope? or
Scenario #2: Standing moose at 621 yards, avid shooter who shoots 1000 - 3000 rounds a year at various ranges, shooting a .300 Win. Mag, scoped with a quality higher powered scope ( 4-16x50 or more) who easily makes regular hits on less than moose sized targets at 500-700 yards, still likes to hunt occasionally?
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That's actually a close choice. I would add another. Get closer.

Choice #1 sees a poor chance of a.hit. Probably insufficient energy, too slow for.the projectile to mushroom.
Choice #2 sees a better chance of hit. Projectile being the same in both the .308 bullet is probably carrying less energy and velocity than #1.
Choice #3 get closer.
 
nowarningshot said:
That's actually a close choice. I would add another. Get closer.

Choice #1 sees a poor chance of a.hit. Probably insufficient energy, too slow for.the projectile to mushroom.
Choice #2 sees a better chance of hit. Projectile being the same in both the .308 bullet is probably carrying less energy and velocity than #1.
Choice #3 get closer.
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No. no there is no Choice #3 because there is a wide river between the shooter and the moose. :)
 
Bad Bob said:
Okay just for discussion, which would you bet your money on and why?
Scenario #1: Standing moose at 392 yards, once a year hunter who shoots 10-30 rounds a year during one or two trips to the range just to make sure his gun is "on", shooting a .308 scoped with a 3-9x40 hunting scope? or
Scenario #2: Standing moose at 621 yards, avid shooter who shoots 1000 - 3000 rounds a year at various ranges, shooting a .300 Win. Mag, scoped with a quality higher powered scope ( 4-16x50 or more) who easily makes regular hits on less than moose sized targets at 500-700 yards, still likes to hunt occasionally?
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Hunter #1 really has no business shooting past about 250 yards really. Maybe even less.
Hunter #2 will probably have no problem killing the moose but schit has been known to happen.
 
It's been said lots of times already on this tread but that distance is suspicious that you "can't get closer" ....

I used to hunt a similar situation where the deer were bedded in a wooded area about 600yrds from my entry to the front end of a field. I was shooting muzzle loader so long distance shots were not an option. I would get up at dark, figure out the wind, hike in through the snow and literally belly crawl the last 300yrds so I could set-up within 50yards of where they were coming out. I did this repeatedly and sometimes I had a shot, sometimes I didn't. That's hunting. Eventually I tagged out on a beauty buck that I'm very proud of for all the effort and patience it took.

Please don't take pot shots, learn to actually hunt these beautiful animals. It's very rewarding.
 
fernpoe said:
It's been said lots of times already on this tread but that distance is suspicious that you "can't get closer" ....

I used to hunt a similar situation where the deer were bedded in a wooded area about 600yrds from my entry to the front end of a field. I was shooting muzzle loader so long distance shots were not an option. I would get up at dark, figure out the wind, hike in through the snow and literally belly crawl the last 300yrds so I could set-up within 50yards of where they were coming out. I did this repeatedly and sometimes I had a shot, sometimes I didn't. That's hunting. Eventually I tagged out on a beauty buck that I'm very proud of for all the effort and patience it took.

Please don't take pot shots, learn to actually hunt these beautiful animals. It's very rewarding.
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Not a pot shot, it is what it is you have this or nothing. Moose isn`t going to stand there until tomorrow morning.
 
Bad Bob said:
Okay just for discussion, which would you bet your money on and why?
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I bet that the majority of people in this section will not approve of anything beyond what their own skills and equipment will allow. They will also tell you that you are not a hunter for not taking their word as law.
 
I have never shot a moose past 300 yards- and I have shot quite a few of them.
I consider myself a " decent" shot , I can place 10 rounds into 2MOA at 1K with a Palma match rifle, and can rum with the best with my F/O rifle, and I go through more than 40 pounds of powder some years at the range .
HOWEVER, even though I have made some one shot kills at extreme range on White tails and mule deer in the past, I haven't for quite a few years.
This is because the time of flight for even a 3,000 FPS bullet is too long to 100% guarantee a kill at those ranges. One step in a 1.5 second time of flight turns a kill shot into a miss, or even worse , a wounding shot where the animal may or may not be recovered. I can't live with that , although some can.
Not judging here on anyone who does, my personal distance limits are shorter than some hunter's max distance .
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The whole things reads odd to me. Also, availability is one thing, getting a tag is another.

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How is the term fair chase defined by B&C?
The name given to this code was, fair chase and it is defined by the Club as “the ethical, sportsmanlike, and lawful pursuit and taking of any free-ranging wild game animal in a manner that does not give the hunter an improper or unfair advantage over the game animals.” Fair chase is part of an overall hunting ethic.
 
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