Dark Alley Dan
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Clarkson did a hell of a documentary on the St. Nazaire raid.
[youtube]SCMCr2Kh1wI?t=35[/youtube]
[youtube]SCMCr2Kh1wI?t=35[/youtube]
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I believe Clarkson's father-in-law was awarded a VC for actions in the raid.
Dark Alley Dan
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That was his other frickin' brilliant documentary on the VC. Calrkson's FiL was at Arnhem.
[youtube]RbS4Ivl85GQ?t=33[/youtube]
(feel free to ignore the egregious title... The VC is to the American MoH as Pope is to a millionaire televangelist...)
[youtube]RbS4Ivl85GQ?t=33[/youtube]
(feel free to ignore the egregious title... The VC is to the American MoH as Pope is to a millionaire televangelist...)
Donny Fenn1
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so the same then?
Dark Alley Dan
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Similar, but different, and a lot fewer of the former than the latter.
This is the book I’m reading that offers a bit of a critique on the raid. It’s an interesting discussion. Great book so far with several case studies from WWII.
I need to re-read this book. If I’m not mistaken recently declassified documents suggest part of the raid was to secure an Enigma machine … but I could be remembering that wrong. It certainly suggests that a significant objective of the Dieppe raid was to capture an Enigma. It was interesting to read a quote from a vet in Spec Ops who mentions that one of their objectives was to secure a building for a temporary HQ during the raid and the building turned out to be a Wermarcht HQ building.
I need to re-read this book. If I’m not mistaken recently declassified documents suggest part of the raid was to secure an Enigma machine … but I could be remembering that wrong. It certainly suggests that a significant objective of the Dieppe raid was to capture an Enigma. It was interesting to read a quote from a vet in Spec Ops who mentions that one of their objectives was to secure a building for a temporary HQ during the raid and the building turned out to be a Wermarcht HQ building.
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Dark Alley Dan
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I believe that's seventeen MG34's in a single mount.
Imagine the noise. Imagine flying along in a light observation job and then suddenly it seems like the very Earth is pissed off at you...
Imagine the noise. Imagine flying along in a light observation job and then suddenly it seems like the very Earth is pissed off at you...
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Just watched it. Very well done! Reading some of those citations - or the Medal of Honor ones - definitely makes you stop and think about courage, sacrifice, selflessness and determination.
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I worked with a fellow that was a Dieppe veteran, tank driver in a Calgary Tanks machine, only survivor from his tank when it got hit and spent the rest of the war in a POW camp. He spent the rest of his life very very bitter over him & his buddies being used as, what was thought of at the time, cannon fodder to stroke someone's ego.
The Enigma story came out shortly after he died....he never knew that the raid actually did have a bonafide purpose other than just a "test" of sorts.
I'm sure those who fought in Afghanistan must be having similar thoughts of being used for no real purpose. It was just a "test".
Grizz
I thought that the US, and to a lesser degree other coalition armies use these types of conflicts to hone and fine tune operating producers and test weapons along with keeping their armed forces ready for the next, potentially larger conflict. Particularly the US on weapon testing, but countries like France / UK and Italy all have a significant arms manufacturing industries looking to test and promote their products. Nothing sells better than a tried and tested system, fresh off the battleground?
Not sure where Canada stands in this, I'll leave that to folk who have served and know more.
Candocad.
well there is another phenomena at play as well called the ‘peace dividend’ … for example cellular phones rely on a technology that was developed for a military application … ‘frequency hopping’ which was employed to avoid enemy electronic countermeasures (jamming) or monitoring. The British like to take credit for it … but I believe it was initially conceived and developed by Tadiran an Israeli telecom company. Today numerous police forces are using drone surveillance that was ‘fine tuned’ by the military as anyone who watches TV has surmised. Of course that technology has evolved so rapidly that there are privacy issues around pervasive surveillance .. including of course the use of thermal imaging to observe activities behind closed doors (so to speak) without a warrant …as an aside Canada got an enormous ‘peace dividend’ when thousand of men returned home after WWII and took advantage of the free post secondary education under the veterans act that they otherwise couldn’t afford… this produced hundred (thousands?) of engineers of all types that built our industry and infrastructure in the ‘50’s ‘60’s and ‘70’sCandocad;[URL="tel:18288313" said:
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Hedy Lamarr
Frequency-hopping spread spectrum
Copy of U.S. patent for "Secret Communication System"
During World War II, Lamarr learned that radio-controlled torpedoes, an emerging technology in naval war, could easily be jammed and set off course.[52] She thought of creating a frequency-hopping signal that could not be tracked or jammed. She conceived an idea and contacted her friend, composer and pianist George Antheil, to help her implement it.[4] Together they developed a device for doing that, when he succeeded by synchronizing a miniaturized player-piano mechanism with radio signals.[40] They drafted designs for the frequency-hopping system, which they patented.[53][54] Antheil recalled:
We began talking about the war, which, in the late summer of 1940, was looking most extremely black. Hedy said that she did not feel very comfortable, sitting there in Hollywood and making lots of money when things were in such a state. She said that she knew a good deal about munitions and various secret weapons ... and that she was thinking seriously of quitting MGM and going to Washington, D.C., to offer her services to the newly established National Inventors Council.[30]
As quoted from a 1945 Stars and Stripes interview, "Hedy modestly admitted she did only 'creative work on the invention', while the composer and author George Antheil, 'did the really important chemical part'. Hedy was not too clear about how the device worked, but she remembered that she and Antheil sat down on her living room rug and were using a silver match box with the matches simulating the wiring of the invented 'thing'. She said that at the start of the war:"[55]
British fliers were over hostile territory as soon as they crossed the channel, but German aviators were over friendly territory most of the way to England ... I got the idea for my invention when I tried to think of some way to even the balance for the British. A radio controlled torpedo, I thought would do it.[55]
Their invention was granted a patent under U.S. Patent 2,292,387 on 11 August 1942 (filed using her married name Hedy Kiesler Markey).[56] However, it was technologically difficult to implement, and at the time the US Navy was not receptive to considering inventions coming from outside the military.[35] Nevertheless, it was classified in the "red hot" category.[57] It was first adapted in 1957 to develop a sonobuoy[13] before the expiration of the patent,[4] although this was denied by the Navy. At the time of the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962, an updated version of their design was installed on Navy ships.[58] Today, various spread-spectrum techniques are incorporated into Bluetooth technology and are similar to methods used in legacy versions of Wi-Fi.[14][15][16] Lamarr and Antheil's contributions were formally recognized in the late twentieth and early twenty-first centuries.
Frequency-hopping spread spectrum
Copy of U.S. patent for "Secret Communication System"
During World War II, Lamarr learned that radio-controlled torpedoes, an emerging technology in naval war, could easily be jammed and set off course.[52] She thought of creating a frequency-hopping signal that could not be tracked or jammed. She conceived an idea and contacted her friend, composer and pianist George Antheil, to help her implement it.[4] Together they developed a device for doing that, when he succeeded by synchronizing a miniaturized player-piano mechanism with radio signals.[40] They drafted designs for the frequency-hopping system, which they patented.[53][54] Antheil recalled:
We began talking about the war, which, in the late summer of 1940, was looking most extremely black. Hedy said that she did not feel very comfortable, sitting there in Hollywood and making lots of money when things were in such a state. She said that she knew a good deal about munitions and various secret weapons ... and that she was thinking seriously of quitting MGM and going to Washington, D.C., to offer her services to the newly established National Inventors Council.[30]
As quoted from a 1945 Stars and Stripes interview, "Hedy modestly admitted she did only 'creative work on the invention', while the composer and author George Antheil, 'did the really important chemical part'. Hedy was not too clear about how the device worked, but she remembered that she and Antheil sat down on her living room rug and were using a silver match box with the matches simulating the wiring of the invented 'thing'. She said that at the start of the war:"[55]
British fliers were over hostile territory as soon as they crossed the channel, but German aviators were over friendly territory most of the way to England ... I got the idea for my invention when I tried to think of some way to even the balance for the British. A radio controlled torpedo, I thought would do it.[55]
Their invention was granted a patent under U.S. Patent 2,292,387 on 11 August 1942 (filed using her married name Hedy Kiesler Markey).[56] However, it was technologically difficult to implement, and at the time the US Navy was not receptive to considering inventions coming from outside the military.[35] Nevertheless, it was classified in the "red hot" category.[57] It was first adapted in 1957 to develop a sonobuoy[13] before the expiration of the patent,[4] although this was denied by the Navy. At the time of the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962, an updated version of their design was installed on Navy ships.[58] Today, various spread-spectrum techniques are incorporated into Bluetooth technology and are similar to methods used in legacy versions of Wi-Fi.[14][15][16] Lamarr and Antheil's contributions were formally recognized in the late twentieth and early twenty-first centuries.
Hedy Lamarr
First off no relation to Hedley Lamarr.
But a very smart lady.
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Okay so I had a crush on her as a kid, well maybe still....
Given the progressive gutting of the CAF during the 90's by the Chretien government, one thing 9/11 and Canada's participation in Afghanistan did, was to put a stop to the erosion of capacity of our forces, and a forced a lot of re-equipping and modernization. The news footage of CAF ground pounders strolling across the desert in green CADPAT, brought the message to the masses of just how woefully poorly equipped our forces had become.
New tanks, new LAV's, drones, improvement programs on the rifles, the list goes on... Land force got brought into the 21st century, the Government kicking and screaming about it the whole way. Training doctrine also got a complete rethink.
Generals always fight the last war. At least this way, the CAF won't be trying to fight with 80's equipment in the coming years, if (well, when... war is so unavoidably entwined with history) we have to send the kids off again.
