This is very true. And it is pretty impressive how people can simply adapt to what they have, even if the gun is not considered "ideal" from various perspectives. Some may argue this may be a good situation since presumably if all you have is one rifle, it will be the only thing to which you can become accustomed and familiar - that probably allows you to learn any nuances and you adapt to any perceived quirks
IDF to replace the Tavor with M4
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This is very true. And it is pretty impressive how people can simply adapt to what they have, even if the gun is not considered "ideal" from various perspectives. Some may argue this may be a good situation since presumably if all you have is one rifle, it will be the only thing to which you can become accustomed and familiar - that probably allows you to learn any nuances and you adapt to any perceived quirks
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I’m not sure that’s what Jarvy meant. But of course, if all you have is one rifle (regardless of the type) you will become accustomed and familiar with it.
The article said that the regular force infantry brigades will be going M4. I think the IDF has like 4 to 5 reg force infantry bridges. In the grand scheme of things, that is like 5000 to 6000 front like troops
The reserve is probably like 3 to 5 times of the reg, plus weapon stock piles.
So both articles could be right. They can buy another 8000 to 10,000 new M4s over the years with ( I speculate ) new night equipment to modernize the reg, dump all the old remaining crappy wore out CAR15 and M16 off the stock pile. Move all the TAVOR to stock pile and transfer the useable X95 to the Reserves to replace any remaining wore out M16. In the mean time, they will keep buying some quantity of X95 to equip the reserves to make up any difference between the useable X95 transferred from Reg and the number of worn out TAVOR and M16 taken out of active use.
So in the end,Reg with M4 that is fully modernized because they are the QRF of the nation. The reserves will stay with X95 because the X95 fleet probably has some years to go.
IMHO, if this is how they roll, eventually M4 will take over because the reg force people who leave reg and enter the reserves, will end up demanding M4 down the road. It looks like they are trying to go M4, but also under the pressure to keep buying IWI. I suspect this will not be the end of this. In a year, they will make another move once all the reg. force got the M4s. Reservists always want the same stuff as the Reg.
10,000 M4 is nothing. Colt or FN can crank that out in a month or two.
The reserve is probably like 3 to 5 times of the reg, plus weapon stock piles.
So both articles could be right. They can buy another 8000 to 10,000 new M4s over the years with ( I speculate ) new night equipment to modernize the reg, dump all the old remaining crappy wore out CAR15 and M16 off the stock pile. Move all the TAVOR to stock pile and transfer the useable X95 to the Reserves to replace any remaining wore out M16. In the mean time, they will keep buying some quantity of X95 to equip the reserves to make up any difference between the useable X95 transferred from Reg and the number of worn out TAVOR and M16 taken out of active use.
So in the end,Reg with M4 that is fully modernized because they are the QRF of the nation. The reserves will stay with X95 because the X95 fleet probably has some years to go.
IMHO, if this is how they roll, eventually M4 will take over because the reg force people who leave reg and enter the reserves, will end up demanding M4 down the road. It looks like they are trying to go M4, but also under the pressure to keep buying IWI. I suspect this will not be the end of this. In a year, they will make another move once all the reg. force got the M4s. Reservists always want the same stuff as the Reg.
10,000 M4 is nothing. Colt or FN can crank that out in a month or two.
Being Non-restricted here in canada
Simplicity (vastly less parts than any AR15 and ease of disassembly of the BCG and trigger group), rear weight bias (This is a big one), incredibly reliable in part due to the long stroke piston, integrated irons in the rail, ability to swap ejection port sides, ambidextrous bolt release and safety selector*. None of these make it better than the m4 but they are definitely advantages.
What “ask”, they can just walk over now. It’s madness.
Being non-restricted certainly is a huge bonus for any of the Tavors. Makes it a much more 'useable' option in Canada for civilians, seeing as the AR platform which was restricted, is currently prohibited. Hopefully the AR status will change for the better after the election (fingers crossed)!
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The NR status is literally gold.
This means that should they go prohibited, the compliance rate (as far as turning them in) will be hovering right around zero.
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In general I don't like shooting Bullpups. That said as an Artillery Gunner I hated trying to do anything non shooting related (which was 99% of activities) with a C7 hanging off me.
A weapon will be carried and dragged into and out of vehicles way more than it will be fired.
A bullpup would have made my life easier.
A weapon will be carried and dragged into and out of vehicles way more than it will be fired.
A bullpup would have made my life easier.
Valid points however i personally wouldnt label rear bias as an advantage. But rather a disadvantage. Its one of the biggest reasons why i have never bought a bullpup.
Personal preference i know. But when people ask why i choose conventional rifle layouts over bullpups, this is the main reason.
Hmm. OK. An dvantage in that carrying it and shouldering it is less taxing than conventional and loading it with accessories up front makes it easier to bring up with a rear weight bias. In terms of recoil management and follow up shots you may have a point.
I agree that it is waaay less taxing. Far more pointable too. But when it comes to making distant shots, i need the length and weight for stability. Id personally rather comprise a little size and weight for the added gain in marksmanship. Im sure if i trained enough i could become proficient with a bullpup. But yet with very very little training im already pretty effective with an AR. And to me that speaks a lot for how perfect that platform is.
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Also remember that most soldiers are not very good at shooting. As a rule armies are just a mob of people who can kind of operate issued weapons. The requirements to qualify are usually shockingly low.
My muscle memory made it a bit tough for me to use and enjoy. Too much time behind an Ar15.
I tried to really like it but my AR15s are so smooth to use. X95 I have to remind myself on what I'm using.
I gave up rather early on the X95..don't be me. Might get another one.
I tried to really like it but my AR15s are so smooth to use. X95 I have to remind myself on what I'm using.
I gave up rather early on the X95..don't be me. Might get another one.
Oddly, I found carrying any bullpup with a rear weight bias to be -more- taxing to carry around (butt wanted to rotate so it pointed to the ground, so it was a bit more taxing controlling that.)
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Do you mean the butt of the gun was pointing at the ground? Or the muzzle? Because if your rifle (any rifle) is swivelling on the sling to point the muzzle at your face: I think that's a sling problem.
Are you carrying it like a hunting rifle and slinging it on one shoulder? These things are not designed to be carried like that.
I actually like bullpup. Bullpup works well in prone and kneeling. X95 with grip pod/bipod is the cat ass in section attack type movement. It is much easier to get up from the ground with a X95 than the 1m stick. Easy to run with it without pointing the stick up, and it does not slam down hard on the way to prone like the 1m stick ( physics here, how slegde hammer works ). Saying that, X95 is nowhere near to be the "ideal" bullpup though, I have my complaints about it, but not about it being a bullpup.
The Desert Arms MDR is closer to what I would like in a bullpup ergonomic ( forget about its forward ejecting mech for now ). The issue is that the current LAD in the market pretty much needs 10" to 11" rail space to accommodate all the the BUIS, sling swivel, LAD and switches comfortably. Ideally do not want the switches all over the place so it becomes easy to "miss" the switches at night. X95's 3.5" high bore to top rail height is also becoming something to remember at short range because LAD and the bore diverge both vertically and horizontally.
100!! It's like getting welfare to create and sell a luxurious tool and continue to get welfare. Israeli Lobby in Western country is very powerful. And I'm not anti-Semitic.. I just rather see Canada spend our money to R&D and build up our own Industries.
It's more when you're operating the firearm at any point without a sling.
