Liberals plan to ''End Gun Violence''

[Anthony1977]

Poly hasn't issued those orders yet.

One phase at a time...

But seriously, if provinces are given power to ban handguns to start and then pass that on to cities dangling $ in front of them, what's stopping them from going further?

The Feds are going to say it's out of their jurisdiction now and the province's/city's choice, and provinces will use "for our safety, we have banned x, y, z" BS where there aren't enough of us to fight back in each independent city. Ever tried challenging a by-law? You're dead in the water before you even start.

This could be their master plan where everyone one of them wins politically and we all lose.

 

[Steve_B]

What's stopping them would be they cannot ban anything more than what the Feds download to them.

And seriously, the Anti-gun groups are driving public sentiment and that's what's enabling Trudeau. It's their speaking points and their agenda. He just pays the bills and makes announcements.

 

[Milanczar]

What's stopping them would be they cannot ban anything more than what the Feds download to them.

And seriously, the Anti-gun groups are driving public sentiment and that's what's enabling Trudeau. It's their speaking points and their agenda. He just pays the bills and makes announcements.

How is any of that stopping them?

They do what they want, how they want and when they want.

Running around that 'they can't do that' whether or not they can makes no difference.

If you are explaining then you are losing.

They can do what they want until somehow they are stopped in court.

Then they just run off in another direction while you chase them again.

Then when you stop chasing....they do what they want again...........

Its wide open.

Try and stop them.

But don't say they can't do what they are doing and do each time.

Its simply a matter of interlocked self interested entities rubber stamping each other while issuing high fives.

 

[Steve_B]

They do what they want, how they want and when they want.

So you claim the cities will just ban whatever they want regardless of what Trudeau does... they can and do just whatever they please & don't need Federal authority.... and yet none of the cities have banned anything yet.
What a wild coincidence eh

 

[Anthony1977]

How is any of that stopping them?

They do what they want, how they want and when they want.

Running around that 'they can't do that' whether or not they can makes no difference.

If you are explaining then you are losing.

They can do what they want until somehow they are stopped in court.

Then they just run off in another direction while you chase them again.

Then when you stop chasing....they do what they want again...........

Its wide open.

Try and stop them.

But don't say they can't do what they are doing and do each time.

Its simply a matter of interlocked self interested entities rubber stamping each other while issuing high fives.

The issue here is if Trudeau GIVES the power to provinces to ban whatever they want where everyone (Fed, Provincial, and municipal) would win politically and we wouldn't have any means to stop it (i.e. unless we move province/cities that has not yet banned them).

 

[MosinMan13]

So you claim the cities will just ban whatever they want regardless of what Trudeau does... they can and do just whatever they please & don't need Federal authority.... and yet none of the cities have banned anything yet.
What a wild coincidence eh

They can ban firearm discharge (for those of us using crown lands) and restrict or make it next to impossible for ranges and clubs to establish. See Baysville Ontario for example, a well known sleepy town banning just about anything that makes noise or scares liberals because it “hurts their tourism” ie the band of Torontonian zombies marching up single file every year determined to prove they’re “outdoorsy” coming up to 4 season AC houses on the waterfront, scared of muddy trucks, any animal bigger than a chipmunk and the sweet sound of gunshots.

 

[Anthony1977]

UPDATE: Quebec Government announced this morning that they're investing 90 million dollars to go after CRIMINALS (operation "Centaure") to combat illegal firearms trafficking and gun crime. Bravo.

The Libs should take note instead of going after law abiding responsible licensed firearm owners.

 

[auracle]

UPDATE: Quebec Government announced this morning that they're investing 90 million dollars to go after CRIMINALS (operation "Centaure") to combat illegal firearms trafficking and gun crime. Bravo.

The Libs should take note instead of going after law abiding responsible licensed firearm owners.

Sorry but it should read "we are redirecting 90 million dollars into our and our buddies' pockets and there will be no change or maybe an increase in illegal trafficking and gun crime".

 

[Anthony1977]

Sorry but it should read "we are redirecting 90 million dollars into our and our buddies' pockets and there will be no change or maybe an increase in illegal trafficking and gun crime".

Given most people were expecting a handgun ban plan as it was announced in the Liberal platform (i.e. min of 1 billion $ for handgun ban), the additional QC police task force going after gun traffickers and gun crime is welcomed news.

If Quebec started with handgun ban plans with powers provided by the Fed, it would have been the start of the end for law abiding gun owners and would have opened the door for other provinces to follow suit.

If you don't agree with this, I ask you how else are they (Quebec, other provinces) supposed to tackle the issue given the Libs have Bill C-22 (reducing time for gun related offences) that actually helps criminals??

You simply put a negative spin without providing any alternative method given the current situation.

I for one applaud the Quebec government going after criminals vs law abiding gun owners. Who you applaud is your choice.

 

[ravenzoom]

Given most people were expecting a handgun ban plan as it was announced in the Liberal platform (i.e. min of 1 billion $ for handgun ban), the additional QC police task force going after gun traffickers and gun crime is welcomed news.

If Quebec started with handgun ban plans with powers provided by the Fed, it would have been the start of the end for law abiding gun owners and would have opened the door for other provinces to follow suit.

If you don't agree with this, I ask you how else are they (Quebec, other provinces) supposed to tackle the issue given the Libs have Bill C-22 (reducing time for gun related offences) that actually helps criminals??

You simply put a negative spin without providing any alternative method given the current situation.

I for one applaud the Quebec government going after criminals vs law abiding gun owners. Who you applaud is your choice.

I agree it's great news no matter how you look at it. It's good for gun owners since maybe if this works there will less shootings, so hopefully less harrassment on us.

 

[rangebob]

I for one applaud the Quebec government going after criminals instead of law abiding gun owners.

So do I.

Here's why
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/2191581-Causes-Firearm-Related-Violent-Crime

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They have a bunch of shoot outs in their streets. Going after gun owners won't help. Spending money on policing and drug rehabilitation (aka demand), will.

It's the only hope of achieving Peel's 9th principle

9. The test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with it.
-- https://www.ottawapolice.ca/en/about-us/Peel-s-Principles-.aspx​

 

[Shorerider]

I think the Quebec announcement is great news for gun owners. Quebec is the most anti gun province in the country, and yet they recognized frivolous bans aren’t going to work. Hopefully they give this program some time to actually make an impact and see the down turn before they get side tracked and start looking at banning everything under the sun.

 

[zykopat]

Given most people were expecting a handgun ban plan as it was announced in the Liberal platform (i.e. min of 1 billion $ for handgun ban), the additional QC police task force going after gun traffickers and gun crime is welcomed news.

If Quebec started with handgun ban plans with powers provided by the Fed, it would have been the start of the end for law abiding gun owners and would have opened the door for other provinces to follow suit.

If you don't agree with this, I ask you how else are they (Quebec, other provinces) supposed to tackle the issue given the Libs have Bill C-22 (reducing time for gun related offences) that actually helps criminals??

You simply put a negative spin without providing any alternative method given the current situation.

I for one applaud the Quebec government going after criminals vs law abiding gun owners. Who you applaud is your choice.

I agree. Going after the real problem (for now at least).

 

[saphta]

It's easy to make unlimited spending promises when your VISA seems to have no limit, and you don't care.


I love this line. Hey, how many of the banned guns have been used (not that it matters) in what % of the shootings you mention the sentence before? Oh, nearly 0. Yeah, that's effective. Thanks, Justin.

You're missing the point. There are no assault weapons that you can buy so ban inexistent guns for votes while destroying the economy? So gun industry, oil industry, small businesses, medical system, devaluating our currency while increasing taxes...did I miss something else? Venezuela, we're coming!