Unertl scope vintage rifle

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I am seriously considering mounting a Vulture scope, or Unertl Target scope or Redfield 3200 scope on a circa 1936 German ES350b rimfire Mauser.

I have a few questions as I know virtually nothing about these
ring/mounts and these scopes.

I am hoping a vintage scope like this will be clear of the operating bolt the ocular bell.

I am hoping that a vintage scope with external adjustments will provide generous elevation adjustments upwards?

Are these realistic hopes to get a 22 LR match bullet to 400 yards with a Unertl scope/mounts only?
This rifle has an adjustable cheekpiece and mounting grooves all along 2/3s the upper barrel.

Thx
 
The hi-Lux leatherwood unertl clones apparently get 125 MOA of adjustment, so I suspect the originals are similar. However, they don’t attach to standard Rimfire dovetails. There are social mounting blocks for this type of optic that need to be used.
 
The Unertl, Lyman, Fecker, etc, require their own proprietary bases and would require the barrel being drilled and tapped. Keep in mind that the distance between the bases dictates the amount of movement that each "click" gives you. Can't remember the standard distance between bases, somewhere around 7 1/2 inches. You might find rings or some kind of adapter to mount a 3200 on your barrel dovetail, not sure? The Vultures are very cool, but the ocular bell isn't much different in size than many standard modern scopes and I don't think the mounts would give you enough clearance on the bolt (unless it's been altered) or safety. Really fun idea, old school long range, I like it! I know I've seen pictures of Mausers with external adjustment scopes on them, so it can be done. There's a company in the states, Steve Earl, that makes bases for almost any rifle. Good luck! keep us posted on the project.
 
I don't know if you'd get a .22LR out to 400 unless you used a pretty tall rear block. Steve Earl is a good guy to get blocks from. They are also often in stock at Buffalo Arms. You'd have to get your rifle drilled and tapped on a 7.2" spacing to accept the blocks. There is also a guy in the states ( Dan Zimmerman ) selling reproduction Unertl scope mounts with lots of extra elevation. I use them on my black powder cartridge rifles for competition. They are identical to the factory mounts but have about 100 minutes more elevation from what I remember.

Chris.
 
Oh, one other thing. Keep the Lyman Super Targetspot scopes in mind. They were made in the same timeframe as the Unertl scopes and are the same excellent quality. A Lyman STS will usually cost a little less than an Unertl. They use a different block, but nowadays most blocks are machined to accept both types.

Chris.
 
When mounted 7.2 inches apart, one Click equals 1/4" at 100 yards.
I believe mine was mounted 10.8 " apart giving a 1/6 moa adjustment.
5.4' spacing would be about 1/3 moa.
The scope was a Unertyl 2" Ultra Varmint. One mount was on the barrel and the other on the action.
 
Here’s another question. Does the scope actually need to be vintage, or just vintage style? There seem to be a number of companies making reproduction vintage scopes (Hi Lux, for example) that seem to be of very good quality. They’re also much more available and cheaper for similar units. Would a modern vintage scope fit the bill?
 
Blastattack said:
Here’s another question. Does the scope actually need to be vintage, or just vintage style? There seem to be a number of companies making reproduction vintage scopes (Hi Lux, for example) that seem to be of very good quality. They’re also much more available and cheaper for similar units. Would a modern vintage scope fit the bill?
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Not really sure. I have to probably source the custom Dan Zimmerman mounts first.
I have to do considerable research first because I don't wish to remove the front sight and ramp.
Extra elevation in the rear mount is going to compound clearance of the objective bell in the very first place.
This is project with lots of traps and barriers to overcome.
 
gunlaker said:
Oh, one other thing. Keep the Lyman Super Targetspot scopes in mind. They were made in the same timeframe as the Unertl scopes and are the same excellent quality. A Lyman STS will usually cost a little less than an Unertl. They use a different block, but nowadays most blocks are machined to accept both types.

Chris.
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Here's my mid 50's vintage Lyman 15X that was a field testing scope that belonged to C.I.L., the rifle is a model 37 Remington of the same era.
This scope was on everything from .22's to 375H&H rifles!
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iron cat said:
Here's my mid 50's vintage Lyman 15X that was a field testing scope that belonged to C.I.L., the rifle is a model 37 Remington of the same era.
This scope was on everything from .22's to 375H&H rifles!
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Did the 37 remington come with that front scope base.
 
Spitballing on my part, but is there room on the receiver for two rear mounts? Maybe even one on the rear of the action?

With the way those mounts work, the distance between them determines the elevation per increment on the screw. If you were, to say, mount a standard height mount om the front of the receiver, is it long enough that if you were to mount a taller base block on the rear of the reveiver it would end up with a useful adjustment?

It'd take some brushing up on Trig to work it out, as well as a pretty solid idea of what the bullet drops are at the ranges you wish to shoot at.

Another option maybe worth considering, since you are looking at custom blocks anyways, is to see if they can be made as a double rear block with two different heights, one behind the other, with say, 40 or so(to be determined) minutes worth of elevation built in to the second set of grooves. Elevation increments would not be precise, but adequate.

I'd sorta lean in the direction of the longer distance between mounts to get finer adjustments at range, as a better solution, if you were to follow through.
 
I have a x18 Unertl 2" Target scope with calibrated head on my BSA Martini International MkII - it shoots like most of their ilk do - like a house a'fire.

I also have a 1937 Mauser ES350B, but that has Apel High see-through mounts and a x2.5 Ajack scope. Both are on Youtube....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6h5iEwyThk

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBBKMKSbJbg

Also an older Tasco Model 707 on another BSA MkII and on an Anschutz Model 1409....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv5ZVEmrFOY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddXPYYh1yuw
 
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Brutus I'm sure you have this already...but thought I'd postup anyway.

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Wehrmacht Mauser Kar98 propaganda catalog. On the cover we can read: Die Meisterschaft-Büchse ES.350B, which means "The championship rifle ES.350B". Period catalog from 1937.Weapon information:Single shot .22lr Mauser ES.350B “Championship Rifle" made by Waffenfabrik Mauser at Oberndorf circa 1937.Second model variation with reduced 98' type action, blade extractor, flag safety and an adjustable trigger.Heavy 26½" tapered barrel fitted with a sliding micrometer rear sight and interchangeable front sight on a long ramp.The 14½” walnut stock was stamped with the Mauser banner on the right side and sports a monogrammed buttplate.The rifle weighted 8lbs 4oz.
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Below are some contemporaneous German-made scopes that were available for use on pre-war Mauser rimfire rifles. The images appear to be from the Jon Speed book about Mauser smallbore rifles.





 
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