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Hey everyone

I have been looking for a great deal on a used gun but apparently there are none...lol....so its time to buy new..I only have a 12ga now and want to switch to hunting White tail with a rifle....I will also be hunting Moose, Bear and possably Elk...I have narrowed my cartrige size down to a .270win ...below are a few reasons for this caliber.

1.) loads can be made to hunt all game mentioned above
2.) recoil is minimal
3.) the WMU I hunt has a cap of .284 (WMU 68a&b)

I want a black/grey stock and blued or black barrel the guns I have picked out are the

-Mossberg ATR 100 and the
-Stevens model 200

which do you guys prefer and why? I also would like to buy a matching smaller caliber for yotes and wolves like a .223 or would the .270 work as well I would want next to no recoil on the coyote gun...I'm pretty sure both manufacturers make a matching .223.

any pro's and con's would be awsome!

Thanks in advance!
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You've already made up your mind. If your considering these two rifles, I'm guessing your on a budget. I won't talk you out of them, but will suggest the Stevens 200. As for the .270 for yote's, you will hear people piping up about loading 110 grain bullets. They will recoil very little, and work great. The only problem is, your .270 may not like them, and will not stabilize them. If I might be so bold, a 25-06 can handle elk and moose with good bullets. It is perfect for deer, and you have excellent versitility in bullets for critters as small as gophers. Stay in your price range, put good optics on one rifle instead of cheap scopes on two rifles, and your set. Just saying...
 
Reloading ? - then look at 257wby mag ... it does everything you want in 1 package.

6.5 swede might be something to look at too.....

All else fails - the .270 is a great choice.
 
Either of those choices would be good if it fits you well, and they are both available in .270Win. The Stevens is more widely known for great value as an accurate and inexpensive rifle, but the smaller number of Mossberg owners also seem to speak highly of their ATR100s. However, if you are going to want to buy another of the same rifle in .223Rem, that eliminates the Mossberg. According to their website it is only made in .243, .308, 270, and 30-06 and no mention is made of plans for additional calibres.
 
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I see where you're going.

For just a little more, the .270 in a Savage, with the Accu-Trigger.

Don't take the "Package" gun ... save your bucks instead for a decent
scope & mounts. Something like a Leupold Rifleman or Bushnell
3200 in 2-7.

The 270 with 90 grain Sierra's is deadly on coyotes... provided you're not collecting prime pelts. If you are. I'd defer to others for their recommendations ... I don't mind putting big holes in them ! And the recoil
with 90 grainers isn't objectionable ... but still a lot more than a 223.

Try and get by with the big gun for a season ... the "companion gun" can come along later. No doubt, you'll want a different scope on it as well !!!
 
I recently review a post about the Stevens 200. One CGNr was kind enough to posts targets. His 200 in 25-06 was a sweet shooter. I have the 200 in .223. For $300 - it a no brainer. As mentioned above, stay way from the packages. The money you save could be put towards glass.
 
Either one in 270 would be a great gun. Again don't bother with the package deals as you wont be happy with the scope. Get yourself something decent and dont look back.

Nice choice on the 270. It will do anything you ask of it.

Keep us posted.
 
Keep your 12ga too, 68B is shotgun only, but you probably knew that. There's great deals to be had right now on Rem 700's.

Where in the regs does it say your restricted to .284?? I can't find it anywhere, and I know a fellow that uses a .300WM in 68A. I assume your talking about areas in ON?
 
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my budget for two guns is $1000

the 25-06 looks small for Moose largets load is 110gr thats white tail weight

sizes like the 7mm-08, 6.5swd...ect look like their factory loaded ammo is rare?

I will be reloading but not at first so I would like a gun that doesnt use expensive factory loads.
 
srt4u2nv said:
my budget for two guns is $1000

the 25-06 looks small for Moose largets load is 110gr thats white tail weight

sizes like the 7mm-08, 6.5swd...ect look like their factory loaded ammo is rare?

I will be reloading but not at first so I would like a gun that doesnt use expensive factory loads.
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But if your rolling your own, a 100 grain Barnes bullet will kill the biggest moose on the planet, provided you don't shoot him up the arse. This cartridge really doesn't get the respect it deserves. :wave:
 
The Stevens 200 is a good choice if you aren't spending a lot on it. The problem will be getting a worth while scope as well as rings and bases. Just for the record though there are Stevens 200 rifles on sale right now at Frontier Taxidermy (see the link at the top of the page). They have the 30'06 listed at $300 in the clearance section and you won't likely find a better deal than that. A set of weaver bases is going to cost you around $20-$30 and the rings about $40-$60 for a decent pair. You could probably get away with $120 for a bushnell trophey 3-9X40 but I'd take a look around for either a used Bushnell 3200 for $200 or less and a new one would run you about $230 if you look around, maybe $250 if you don't. If you shoot it much though you almost require a new recoil pad though. Figure in $20 for a slip over or up to $50 for a limb saver. So you are still looking at minimum of $500 plus tax and shipping on the rifle. Be hard to get 2 rifles for under $1000.

You could always take a look at what TradeEx has for sporter rifles. They always have a selection of 6.5X55 Swedes with a scope mounted on them for a good price (usually $250 - $350). I think the 6.5 would make a suitable enough varmint rifle and really would make a fine deer cartridge as well. Not sure about it making a good moose and elk cartridge but you are looking at a compromise.

Personally I'd get a 30'06 and give the sabots a try on coyotes if I was really tight for cash and spend the extra money on rings and optics. You will always be happy to move a good scope to another rifle later on and it will be easy to sell. But a poor quality scope is difficult to sell for more than peanuts. A Stevens though sells almost instantly on the EE trust me on this one. You will find it hard to lose money on a cheap rifle strangely enough.

For the record, the Savage package deals without the accu-trigger can be had for slightly under $400 new if you look around. You might be hit and miss with the scope but the one I picked up for a friend sighted in well enough and held its zero. Needed a recoil pad as it felt like a 378Wby rather than a 270Win but it still shot MOA after he stopped flinching. I think the Weatherby package deals are a bit more price wise but won't need a recoil pad, plus you'll get a couple more calibers to choose from.

Hope I've been helpful and not confusing for you lol
 
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blargon said:
Keep your 12ga too, 68B is shotgun only, but you probably knew that. There's great deals to be had right now on Rem 700's.

Where in the regs does it say your restricted to .284?? I can't find it anywhere, and I know a fellow that uses a .300WM in 68A. I assume your talking about areas in ON?
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ya I will be keeping my 12ga for sure love that thing:D

I love the SPS700 in camo! but once you put a 3200 on it you over $1000

a guy that works at a local gun shop said we were limited to .284 until you go north of HWY7.
 
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Cordur said:
The Stevens 200 is a good choice if you aren't spending a lot on it. The problem will be getting a worth while scope as well as rings and bases. Just for the record though there are Stevens 200 rifles on sale right now at Frontier Taxidermy (see the link at the top of the page). They have the 30'06 listed at $300 in the clearance section and you won't likely find a better deal than that. A set of weaver bases is going to cost you around $20-$30 and the rings about $40-$60 for a decent pair. You could probably get away with $120 for a bushnell trophey 3-9X40 but I'd take a look around for either a used Bushnell 3200 for $200 or less and a new one would run you about $230 if you look around, maybe $250 if you don't. If you shoot it much though you almost require a new recoil pad though. Figure in $20 for a slip over or up to $50 for a limb saver. So you are still looking at minimum of $500 plus tax and shipping on the rifle. Be hard to get 2 rifles for under $1000.

You could always take a look at what TradeEx has for sporter rifles. They always have a selection of 6.5X55 Swedes with a scope mounted on them for a good price (usually $250 - $350). I think the 6.5 would make a suitable enough varmint rifle and really would make a fine deer cartridge as well. Not sure about it making a good moose and elk cartridge but you are looking at a compromise.

Personally I'd get a 30'06 and give the sabots a try on coyotes if I was really tight for cash and spend the extra money on rings and optics. You will always be happy to move a good scope to another rifle later on and it will be easy to sell. But a poor quality scope is difficult to sell for more than peanuts. A Stevens though sells almost instantly on the EE trust me on this one. You will find it hard to lose money on a cheap rifle strangely enough.

For the record, the Savage package deals without the accu-trigger can be had for slightly under $400 new if you look around. You might be hit and miss with the scope but the one I picked up for a friend sighted in well enough and held its zero. Needed a recoil pad as it felt like a 378Wby rather than a 270Win but it still shot MOA after he stopped flinching. I think the Weatherby package deals are a bit more price wise but won't need a recoil pad, plus you'll get a couple more calibers to choose from.

Hope I've been helpful and not confusing for you lol
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good info!

I like the bushnell 3200 or 4200 but would like a lighted recticle I know they have firefly but shining a flash light into it for 60sec sounds crappy.... I would spend $1000 on one gun/scope combo if it ment getting a high quality peice........the first animals I will be hunting are yotes and wolves so maybe I would be better off buying a higher end varmint gun and a great scope then save up some more $$$$ to buy my deer, bear, moose rifle for next season.
 
now for a varmint gun should I be looking for a semi-auto so I can get that super quick second shot or will a bolt be quick enough if needed?

I guess if I spend more $$$ on the scope and a accurate gun there will be no need for a second......
 
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