Bergara or Anschutz 1710 Barreled Action - Cannot decide

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Can’t decide between a Bergara or a Anschutz 1710 barreled action. Either will most like
be installed in an MDT LSS chassis, for PRS style shooting. I have hankering for the 1710 because i’m a bit of an Annie addict, but the Bergara has some appeal.

Thoughts on side by side comparison, out of the box barrels and triggers? Do i need to spend more to get a better trigger and barrel for the Bergara?

Your input is always appreciated.
 
I've got a B14R & have owned several 1710 DHB's - Still have two.
From what I've seen so far, the 1710 (on average) would be slightly more accurate than the B14R.
I've only had hands on experience with two steel barrelled B14R's - One is Anschutz 54 accurate (but ammo picky) and the other isn't shooting nearly as consistently. It is new and the owner is still tuning it.
The single stage 5096 triggers with a simple spring change are much better for range work than the B14R trigger. I've fitted Jewells to both the B14R's we are working with here.
Function wise, I've got to say that the B14R's are overall better than the 1710. Yes, the Bergara feels "agricultural" compared to the 54 action but mine has been absolutely faultless since I put it together.
Just my 2 cents - I'm sure others will beg to differ!
 
Hi, I have the 1712 has the 54 action , great shooting and accurate rifle . I have modified the outer extractor for better extraction of spent shell cases. I am looking for a lighter trigger spring to get pull down to 1.25 lbs. The Anschutz takes more to break in as it has tight tolerances. Mine sits in a MDT chassis and MDT butt stock. Got my barreled action from Nordic Marksman , has the 22'' barrel .70 at muzzle. Yes it does favor ammo, works well with SK, RWS , Lapua does not like Elley. Only wish barrel was threaded.
 
65gks said:
Hi, I have the 1712 has the 54 action , great shooting and accurate rifle . I have modified the outer extractor for better extraction of spent shell cases. I am looking for a lighter trigger spring to get pull down to 1.25 lbs. The Anschutz takes more to break in as it has tight tolerances. Mine sits in a MDT chassis and MDT butt stock. Got my barreled action from Nordic Marksman , has the 22'' barrel .70 at muzzle. Yes it does favor ammo, works well with SK, RWS , Lapua does not like Elley. Only wish barrel was threaded.
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Is it the LSS chassis that you have? Do you have the extended mag release on your 1710?
 
Engineer said:
Do you have the extended mag release on your 1710?
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I have the extended mag release on both mine - It's longer than it needs to be but works a treat. All steel Wisner 5 shot Savage mags have worked for me in every Anschutz I've owned though they sometimes take a 5 minute mod. with a needle file to work in a 54 action.
I've bought these previously from Western Gun Parts in Alberta:

https://www.sinclairintl.com/gun-parts-tools-accessories/rifle-magazines/magazines/savage-arms-35-magazine-22lr-prod72216.aspx
 
I've not shot a Bergara therefore i can't comment on them , I do
shoot 1710 D HB's , 1717 D HB & Cooper Varminters .
The stock trigger in the 1710 can be adjusted to 300 gr. if
you want lighter a 5119 trigger will take it down to 125 gr.
The barrel doesn't require changing .

Bergara has a 90 degree bolt and a mammoth magazine.

I would say the 1710 would make you the happiest , Quality always
out shines accuracy , Quality with Accuracy out shines every thing .
 
Anschutz are nice rifles for sure, but I haven't seen one in PRS Rimfire competition yet. Mostly CZ, Vudoo, RimX, and Bergara. Occasionally a Savage and a 10/22.

skwerl said:
Bergara has a 90 degree bolt and a mammoth magazine.
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The magazines are AICS size, which may seem massive compared to your typical rimfire magazine. However, they are easier to handle for mag changes especially in bad weather and they fit in AICS mag holders. They are also 10 rounders and can be extended to 12.

The Bergara has a 700 footprint, so that opens up a lot of options. The MDT ACC chassis is ideal for competition, especially if your big boy rifle has the same.

I'm running a TT Diamond in my Bergara with the stock steel barrel. Good enough for a top 10 finish in the Northern Rimfire Series 2021 standings. The IBI barrels seem to be popular and quite accurate.

Here's a link to a thread that I started on the B-14R.

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...32-Bergara-B-14-R-tips-tricks-mods-and-photos
 
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Yea i have the LSS chassis. No i do not have the extended mag release, but look at getting one. You can release the mag just fine with the standard release.
 
I have a Bergara B14R and an Anschutz 54.

As for accuracy, I dont want to start a fight, so I'll just say between the two I have its a fair match and leave it at that. Maybe I just got a good Bergara and a bad Anschutz.

I will say that the Bergara has two design flaws that lend itself to reliability issues. Anschutz does not.

Bergara bolt travel goes too far to the rear, presumably to replicate big gun feel. In doing so, it exposes the ejector blade at the 6 oclock position and creates a condition where a fired case will and does frequently get trapped and prevent closing of the bolt. If the bolt throw was shorter, this would not be a problem.

The second Bergara problem is the bolt lug way on the left side. It creates a void between the barrel threads and the lug slot where misfed rounds will be driven by the closing bolt. You will not get these out without some sort of tool. This particular problem can be solved by filling that hole with a compound of your choice. Anything from JB weld to silicone would take care of it but its something the end user should not have to address.

Given the accuracy I get with either of these rifles, I will gain nothing in this area by getting a Voodoo, but for the reliability difference alone, I will probably make that Voodoo migration before long.
 
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I have been an Anschutz guy for years. i have owned several 54 actions and still own 2 of them ( Vintage 1411 and 1413 ). They are great rifles of outstanding quality and accuracy. That being said, I also bought a Vudoo V22S single shot with a Shilen ratchet barrell. Built like a tank and with great quality and VERY accurate. I like it so much that I just ordered another Vudoo ( a repeater this time. ) I have bought a nice Manners stock for it. I received it yesterday and still have not even unpacked it yet. Looking forward to see how this repeater does. I think I have been bitten by the Vudoo bug.

Gilbert
 
With specific usage you are looking for I will personally goes with the Bergara. I have the Bergara carbon wrap barrel I did swap the trigger for a trigger tech diamond and it is accurate and reliable with the AICS mag size and 700 platform made it easy to do modification down the road and accurate enough to PRS requirement. 1710 will outshoot the Bergara for sure on precision but less convenient for parts upgrade and mag handling. So this would end up in a preference of the shooter.
 
I see no benefit whatsoever to a carbon wrapped barrel, if you are going to build it up into a PRS rig where the last thing you want is a but heavy rifle.

In fact it's better to have an extra long and heavy barrel for CRPS PRS matches.

The carbon wrapped barrel might be nice for an ultra light hunting rig, but entirely counter productive for PRS.
 
Engineer said:
Can’t decide between a Bergara or a Anschutz 1710 barreled action. Either will most like
be installed in an MDT LSS chassis, for PRS style shooting. I have hankering for the 1710 because i’m a bit of an Annie addict, but the Bergara has some appeal.

Thoughts on side by side comparison, out of the box barrels and triggers? Do i need to spend more to get a better trigger and barrel for the Bergara?

Your input is always appreciated.
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Decide if you are going to do CRPS or LR rimfire PRS? If yes, then you want a donor that will allow the option to swap in a match barrel suitable for the game. If you are only doing NRL22 (100yds max) type games, then the options are far wider.

here I would HIGHLY recommend the CZ457 as your donor base. I love Annies as well but they can be more limited and harder to swap in/out parts. Note, I have not played with the newest barrel swap actions... problem is, there are very few barrel maker supporting that action at this time.

With any Rem 700 based rimfire, understand that the mag and getting them to work properly is a task. Some are easy, some not so much.

For PRS, there is ZERO gain in any accuracy perception. You need reliable operation first and foremost... you can research the many tips and tricks to fix many popular very expensive rifles.

If you are going to run a bolt, CZ457 will be my recommendation.

but then there is also the 10/22 and that has many advantages... for this game.

Jerry
 
Mystic Precision said:
With any Rem 700 based rimfire, understand that the mag and getting them to work properly is a task. Some are easy, some not so much.

Jerry
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I'm surprised even the manufacturers have not picked up on mag adjustability. No, not the mag catch... the mag itself.

The nice thing about Voodoo and Bergara mags is all the dead space behind the functional part of the mag.

I've been drilling and counterboring for wood screws that I use to control mag fit. Some chassis systems have an adjustable mag stop that only controls how far down the mag can go, but it cannot regulate how high up the mag can sit.

Having a jack screw on top of the mag allows the mag to be tuned perfectly so its trapped between pressure and counter pressure.

Screws can also be used at the back of the mag to control fore and aft movement.

To test fitting mags for these rifles, you can also try it with strategically placed layers of masking tape or foil tape until you are confident enough to commit to screws.

BTW, both Vudoo and Bergara have this same problem and you can prove it out by resting the rifle on the mag or applying force between the bag and the mag when on a barricade.
 
allan harris said:
I've got a B14R & have owned several 1710 DHB's - Still have two.
From what I've seen so far, the 1710 (on average) would be slightly more accurate than the B14R.
I've only had hands on experience with two steel barrelled B14R's - One is Anschutz 54 accurate (but ammo picky) and the other isn't shooting nearly as consistently. It is new and the owner is still tuning it.
The single stage 5096 triggers with a simple spring change are much better for range work than the B14R trigger. I've fitted Jewells to both the B14R's we are working with here.
Function wise, I've got to say that the B14R's are overall better than the 1710. Yes, the Bergara feels "agricultural" compared to the 54 action but mine has been absolutely faultless since I put it together.
Just my 2 cents - I'm sure others will beg to differ!
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I be happy with my B14R unit with factory stock & steel barrel. Only mod on my one is the Timney Calvin Elite trigger I fitted to 'er. Great performer with the right ammo. This be my heavy rifle for set positions on critter shoots and for plinking games.

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Since reliable function is key to my success in PRS games, I will not be shooting a Rem based rimfire anytime soon. There are many accessible designs that work reliably and cost a ton less.

I understand why there are alot of the "Rem" rimfires in use.... and that is good for me

:)

Jerry
 
I can only speak from experience with a couple of 1710’s … can’t go wrong with that choice. Something you may not have considered is a rebarrel? KS Arms makes .22LR barrels and they shoot good.
 
Mystic Precision said:
Since reliable function is key to my success in PRS games, I will not be shooting a Rem based rimfire anytime soon. There are many accessible designs that work reliably and cost a ton less.

I understand why there are alot of the "Rem" rimfires in use.... and that is good for me

:)

Jerry
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Thanks Jerry, I’m very much of the same mind.
 
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