White tailed deer: Using trail cams to manage your herd

[the spank]

I do not support any kind of game farm. That is not ever what I said.

I hunt wilderness zones, that have severe winters, too many wolves. Shooting does in those areas is foolhardy. Simple as that, and I suspect you don't know anything about the Swan Hills where I hunt. Maybe if you did you would agree with me that killing does in those zones is wrong.

You don't know a damn thing about me. So I'll give ya this... I'm 63 years young now, soon to be 64. This year I cut and split half a cord of spruce firewood, hauled it by ATV into a remote area, to an abandoned lease. Set up the wall tent and I was solo hunting from that camp, putting a 50 pound pack on my back; that is a self-climber treestand, with my backpack lashed to the climber.
Then I was hiking through the bush, locate good sign/travel trails, climbing 20' up a tree etc... I saw several medium sized 4x4's, rattled & grunted them to my stand. I videoed those deer but all were too immature for me.

Some of my hikes were a mile long carrying that pack. The hikes back in the dark, navigating by headlamp, through the bush was something. You should try it sometime.

Actually I do know the Swan Hills area as I have worked up there several times. It's overpopulated with bears which would not help the deer recruitment much... but calling out hunters who would legally fill an antlerless tag? As for the hero pat on the back for hunting the hard way...that is your call as well. I personally could care less about packing in miles carrying firewood and tents etc. No need to... I have a great spot with sole access to 11 quarters of land which is 4X as much as the OP's high fence dream operation that the landowner allows me to hunt 6 miles from my door. I can drive into the farm yard and walk to any of my three blinds from 1/4 mile to 1/2 mile and sit and watch deer, geese, ducks, moose etc and harvest a deer or two each season and that works for me....

 

[Demonical]

^ That's cool Spank. Respect.

I have not hunted the farm land in something like 25 years, just sad for the landowners the abuse they take from 'hunters'.

I'm just somebody that can't stand to shoot a young immature deer or doe. Shooting any male deer will not impact the deer population, even if it's a dink buck.

And I stand by the stuff I said, cuz I'm talking specifically about the wilderness Swan Hills, where I hunt. Please leave the does alone in WMUs 349, 350, 351.

A doe is not a box of sausage. It's the future of the deer herd.

 

[umchorn2]

That is your personal choice to select what you prefer to harvest as it is with anyone else but this thread has nothing to do with shooting does vs bucks this is the OP's ongoing narrative trying to get support, financing and a pat on the back for making a high fence hunting operation out of a small tract of land using WILD animals, not animals he has purchased and stocked on his property....and since he fell flat on his face out of the gate several years ago trying to get members here to buy into his time share hunting ponzi scheme to finance enough fence to fence in 470 acres now he is trying to "educate" us by showing trailcam pics of animals over bait piles how he can manage "HIS" herd. It sounds like the two of you would hit it off well together. Maybe you should search the archives and find his original thread to see his plan for game management and stewardship, aka FARMING to determine if you two are a fit monetarily and collectively to institute your own idiot free hunt farm. You two can share the camper he was offering up for his canned hunts and sit and discuss game management while you each other off.

You are completely wrong. This post has nothing to do with high fence hunting. My 80 acres is a corridor property flanked to the west by a 15,000 acre pasture, to the north by 640 acre Fish and Wildlife Land parcel and to the south by another 6000 acres of Fish and Wildlife Lands. I have no need to push the penned hunting narrative. I have deer, elk and moose that freely move through the property. I just need to find the place to setup and then maybe throw out some bait to keep the big boys around long enough so I can come across one during a sit.

If I wanted to talk about high fenced hunting I would start a separate thread. I’m trying to show guys how they can manage their properties and what they can do to improve their genetics by being selective with what they shoot. I’m sure if you put in more time hunting and less time on Gunnutz forums criticizing experienced hunters like myself, you might actually find a grown up deer to shoot. Leave the babies and does for the youth hunters, ok big guy?

Do I own the deer? Yes. Do you own the deer? Yes. It’s called a public resource. We own them equally. Do I think that’s fair? No. Why should a degenerate person that maybe never worked and has never contributed a thing to society or conservation have an equal share in something with someone who has paid hundreds of thousands in taxes and generated millions in GDP? But that’s how it is!

I cannot fence in the wild deer and I’m ok with that. I can choose what I shoot just as you can choose what you shoot…for now, until the government tells us that we can’t shoot anything anymore. And believe me that’s coming. Everything will be draw. There won’t be any open seasons because so many guys don’t give a damn about managing the herd. They just see an animal and they want to kill it. Eventually only the natives will be able to hunt. But my guess is guys like you don’t see that ever happening.

You’re the type of guy that applies the same principles to hunting as you do to taking girls home from the bar. “Take down the first thing you see”. But that’s ok. You’re not selective, I get that.

The only difference with public land to private land is the government can’t tell me when I can go onto my own land. But they can definitely tell me or you or anyone that they cannot go onto that public land. And sometimes they do. And when they do you’re not going to like it. But hey, who cares right? You never owned that land anyways. And you never were much of a hunter anyways.

 

[hoytcanon]

You are completely wrong. This post has nothing to do with high fence hunting. My 80 acres is a corridor property flanked to the west by a 15,000 acre pasture, to the north by 640 acre Fish and Wildlife Land parcel and to the south by another 6000 acres of Fish and Wildlife Lands. I have no need to push the penned hunting narrative. I have deer, elk and moose that freely move through the property. I just need to find the place to setup and then maybe throw out some bait to keep the big boys around long enough so I can come across one during a sit.

If I wanted to talk about high fenced hunting I would start a separate thread. I’m trying to show guys how they can manage their properties and what they can do to improve their genetics by being selective with what they shoot. I’m sure if you put in more time hunting and less time on Gunnutz forums criticizing experienced hunters like myself, you might actually find a grown up deer to shoot. Leave the babies and does for the youth hunters, ok big guy?

Do I own the deer? Yes. Do you own the deer? Yes. It’s called a public resource. We own them equally. Do I think that’s fair? No. Why should a degenerate person that maybe never worked and has never contributed a thing to society or conservation have an equal share in something with someone who has paid hundreds of thousands in taxes and generated millions in GDP? But that’s how it is!

I cannot fence in the wild deer and I’m ok with that. I can choose what I shoot just as you can choose what you shoot…for now, until the government tells us that we can’t shoot anything anymore. And believe me that’s coming. Everything will be draw. There won’t be any open seasons because so many guys don’t give a damn about managing the herd. They just see an animal and they want to kill it. Eventually only the natives will be able to hunt. But my guess is guys like you don’t see that ever happening.

You’re the type of guy that applies the same principles to hunting as you do to taking girls home from the bar. “Take down the first thing you see”. But that’s ok. You’re not selective, I get that.

The only difference with public land to private land is the government can’t tell me when I can go onto my own land. But they can definitely tell me or you or anyone that they cannot go onto that public land. And sometimes they do. And when they do you’re not going to like it. But hey, who cares right? You never owned that land anyways. And you never were much of a hunter anyways.

You are a complete joke... your managing "your" game which free range through your piddling 80 acres??? Selective harvesting a free range game herd... lol... and telling others that they really "are not" hunters... and your arrogance at owning a piddling chunk of land is laughable.

 

[the spank]

You are a complete joke... your managing "your" game which free range through your piddling 80 acres??? Selective harvesting a free range game herd... lol... and telling others that they really "are not" hunters... and your arrogance at owning a piddling chunk of land is laughable.

Isn't he though?!!

And to think if I had just been more selective I could have gotten 10 more pounds of meat and had 70lbs like the OP instead of 60lbs by waiting out a bigger buck than the one I took and gotten a bigger set of antlers....I guess I should have waited for another....funny thing is this year we could still legally harvest 8 more deer and a moose(my wife drew an antlerless moose tag) but you know us non-selective meat hunters? We'd hate to call it quits 10 days early because we have all we need in the freezer for the year with the two small deer we harvested.

 

[trevj]

Isn't he though?!!

And to think if I had just been more selective I could have gotten 10 more pounds of meat and had 70lbs like the OP instead of 60lbs by waiting out a bigger buck than the one I took and gotten a bigger set of antlers....I guess I should have waited for another....funny thing is this year we could still legally harvest 8 more deer and a moose(my wife drew an antlerless moose tag) but you know us non-selective meat hunters? We'd hate to call it quits 10 days early because we have all we need in the freezer for the year with the two small deer we harvested.

Well, you should look in to Manitoba Regs.

It seems that our friend Umchoke here has an illegal bat pile out there luring deer in to his game camera!

Seems it isn't actually legal to put out bait stations for game animals there in MB!

Now, that's just funny!

And yeah, me? I'd have shot the doe, if she was bigger! (and I had a tag!)

 

[the spank]

Well, you should look in to Manitoba Regs.

It seems that our friend Umchoke here has an illegal bat pile out there luring deer in to his game camera!

Seems it isn't actually legal to put out bait stations for game animals there in MB!

Now, that's just funny!

And yeah, me? I'd have shot the doe, if she was bigger! (and I had a tag!)

Wouldn't surprise me if he baited in MB too....after all he needs to in SK just to get a "cull" buck.

 

[trevj]

Don't care, in the end, where he is, as long as someone is willing to put up a counterpoint, every time this person tries to sell folks on his ideas!

He is neither good for Hunting, nor is he good for Conservation.

And the more folks are willing to call him on that, the more like it is, he will quit polluting this website with his folly!

 

[umchorn2]

Don't care, in the end, where he is, as long as someone is willing to put up a counterpoint, every time this person tries to sell folks on his ideas!

He is neither good for Hunting, nor is he good for Conservation.

And the more folks are willing to call him on that, the more like it is, he will quit polluting this website with his folly!

Thank you for giving me some good laughs! It’s been very entertaining Spank, trevj, Hoyt, Canadian hunter 312 and gang! This has been a lot of fun guys but I really have other business to attend to. I won’t be responding to any more comments. I hope you guys have a great year. Maybe we can get together one day some time. I will try to get another thread going on “How to Pick the Perfect Hunting Parcel” or something along those lines and we can touch base again.

 

[coyoteking]

This reminds me of when I got my first trail cameras.


The funniest part of this thread is, as wealthy as Umchorn claims to be, for all his not-so-subtle bragging about being such a huge contributor to the GDP and government coffers, and for all his outlandish claims of being a wildlife management expert, it took until now for him to finally purchase some trail cams and excitedly post the results on CGN.

 

[Jack Robinson]

Ya, I know quite a few people like him, " no one hunts on my land" but they're out hunting on everybody elses property. Another good steward of the land.

 

[Desjard]

I'd have culled those 5x4s, get that crap out of the gene pool, start raising 5x5 only cause there's a good chance those 2 dink deer won't ever be typical 5x5....

 

[hawk-i]

Removing inferior antlered deer has its merit if you're looking to produce large antlered mature bucks.

Antler development is genetically based, environmentally influenced, and reaches its peak at maturity.

 

[the spank]

18468676[/URL]]Removing inferior antlered deer has its merit if you're looking to produce large antlered mature bucks.

Antler development is genetically based, environmentally influenced, and reaches its peak at maturity.

And it's important to try to alter natural genetic selection?

 

[Rugdoc]

Removing inferior antlered deer has its merit if you're looking to produce large antlered mature bucks.

Antler development is genetically based, environmentally influenced, and reaches its peak at maturity.

https://www.deeranddeerhunting.com/content/articles/facts-and-myths-about-deer-antler-genetics

He Got it From His Mama

One of the most overlooked facets when it comes judging the quality of a buck’s rack is the role of the doe. It makes sense why we might think that a buck can only inherit antler traits from his father, but this isn’t so. Not only does the mother influence her son’s antlers environmentally, but she contributes to them genetically as well. Believe it or not, a doe can have an even greater genetic impact on her son’s antlers than the sire.

 

[hawk-i]

https://www.deeranddeerhunting.com/content/articles/facts-and-myths-about-deer-antler-genetics

He Got it From His Mama

One of the most overlooked facets when it comes judging the quality of a buck’s rack is the role of the doe. It makes sense why we might think that a buck can only inherit antler traits from his father, but this isn’t so. Not only does the mother influence her son’s antlers environmentally, but she contributes to them genetically as well. Believe it or not, a doe can have an even greater genetic impact on her son’s antlers than the sire.

Both the doe and buck count, removing smaller bucks will also provide genetically superior does over time

https://tpwd.texas.gov/huntwild/wild/game_management/deer/genetics/

 

[trevj]

Thank you for giving me some good laughs! It’s been very entertaining Spank, trevj, Hoyt, Canadian hunter 312 and gang! This has been a lot of fun guys but I really have other business to attend to. I won’t be responding to any more comments. I hope you guys have a great year. Maybe we can get together one day some time. I will try to get another thread going on “How to Pick the Perfect Hunting Parcel” or something along those lines and we can touch base again.

Well, hope springs eternal.

I mean, really, if you just went away, or at least, quit trying to sell folks on your fantasy world, both you and us, would all be happier!

But, in the meantime, if you come back and try to sell your fantasy version of game management, you can pretty much COUNT on folks saying otherwise!

Honestly, it's pretty funny that you want to sell folks on the idea that you are somehow 'managing' any deer (let alone "Your" deer), all the while being too cheap to pay for a tag so you can legally shoot one on your Manitoba property!

Hard to "Manage" any livestock, if you have no control whatsoever!