If a person down on his/her luck shot a deer in my favorite hunting spot I would gladly help him/her drag it out. There are people out there who have very little and to say "NO DON'T HUNT HERE BECAUSE IT BOTHERS ME" to such a person, well, thats just fu@&ed.
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Like I said, way too much " I can't, so you can't either"
Can't see it. Would be just another task on existing workers jobs. Won't cost much. What do fish cops do in between seasons anyway??
Do you think you are exaggerating a little. If it takes you months and thousands of $$, and he can do the same in an afternoon, maybe we can kill two birds with one stone and you can hire him for hunting lessons.
What makes you think they are a secret to begin with??
Ponts, you sound like you got a lot of unfilled tags this year??
Can't see it. Would be just another task on existing workers jobs. Won't cost much. What do fish cops do in between seasons anyway??
Do you think you are exaggerating a little. If it takes you months and thousands of $$, and he can do the same in an afternoon, maybe we can kill two birds with one stone and you can hire him for hunting lessons.
What makes you think they are a secret to begin with??
Ponts, you sound like you got a lot of unfilled tags this year??
Agreed, in my region of rich Alberta, many are very dependent on logging. Mills dependent on exporting to the US are closing because of the dollar. Lots of guys are in trouble right now here and little alternative but move.
Meanwhile, I have never seen the deer population higher.
Issuing 100 does tags in this region will have no impact on deer numbers, but make a huge difference in some families winter.
I know you can drive a truck through the holes in your argument
ponts - this is food for people. You can't compare that to the 'loss' of 'not getting a trophey'. Someone not eating trumps that pretty obviously. You can't seriously begrudge someone a meal just because you really want a 5 point this year can you?
YOUR OPINION and yes you are entitled to it. Like I said step up and post the gps co-ords to your favorite Alberta hunting spot and I'll make sure your generosity is passed on to those in need.
No matter what you say this will cost $1000's in gov't money and yes gov't employees time IS worth money. $1000's that could spent on GUARANTIED FOOD!!!! Not a chance at food from hunting in the OFF season.
No I DO NOT see your point. Giving people tags to hunt game is absolutely in no way an assurance that the gov't in fact has helped anyone in need. What guarantee can the gov't provide with that tag?? With food stamps there certainly is a 100% chance that a person can obtain food with it and probably at the same cost as implementing and monitoring subsistance hunting.
Ponts, you have an obvious urban mentality and this program was never meant for city people.
How can a country boy NOT shoot a doe. I bet I could have shot 3 does from my living room this morning. Does are everywhere, moose cows are eveywhere. Most days I see both driving to work. Shooting these is not rocket science.
We hunt mule does in NORTH HAWK HILLS, AB. We get 3 tags each and could fill them all in a weekend, or even a good day.
Also, this program woudl be run by existing employees who already receive a salary, adding to their workload and making them busier, does not cost money. This program is not burdensome, it woudl relate to a small number of people in each community.
How can a country boy NOT shoot a doe. I bet I could have shot 3 does from my living room this morning. Does are everywhere, moose cows are eveywhere. Most days I see both driving to work. Shooting these is not rocket science.
We hunt mule does in NORTH HAWK HILLS, AB. We get 3 tags each and could fill them all in a weekend, or even a good day.
Also, this program woudl be run by existing employees who already receive a salary, adding to their workload and making them busier, does not cost money. This program is not burdensome, it woudl relate to a small number of people in each community.
Do we have food stamps in Canada?
Well - lets look at that. Lets say a guy has a 50/50 chance of getting an animal. (that's actually pretty low, off season and all. It's probably higher).
So - on average you're talking about half an animal per person.
A good sized deer provides maybe, what, 100 lbs of meat? That's pretty reasonable, right?
SO - 50 lbs of meat on average per person. That's for burger, roasts, steaks, etc. In the store, that meat would likely run something like an average of about 5 bucks a lb at least, with burger being less and roasts being more. And i'm probably being pretty generous there too - you get more roasts etc than you do burgers.
So about 250 bucks of meat per applicant. It will take likely about an hour max to process each applicant - explain what is needed, reveiw it, issue the tag. Then deduct the cost of the guy actually hunting. Fuel etc. Lets call that 50 bucks, which is probably fairly generous. I suspect most who take advantage of this will be fairly close to decent deer areas.
Including benefits and such, that's probably going to cost about 35 bucks of manpower for the gov't and 50 bucks for the end user.
So - end of day - we're talking about a net benefit of about 165 bucks. A hundred and sixty five bucks worth of groceries that they wouldn't have had otherwise.
To a guy who's not quite getting by, who's barely making ends meet or maybe just under, that's a godsend. he winds up on average with 200 bucks worth of meat for an out of pocket cost of 50 bucks. And it's good healthy stuff.
And frankly - i erred on the side of 'caution' with those numbers. I doubt it'll take an actual man hour to process it - i suspect the success rate for those who bother to apply will be higher. And there are lots of deer out there that produce more than 100 lbs of meat.
And none of this touches on the benefit of having someone feel like they earned their food instead of having to accept a charity handout. Self worth and depression issues can be severe when a guy is feeling like he's not providing for his family. At least this way if he can't be working or is working but not making enough money, he can feel like he did something for his food instead of feeling like a charity case.
So i'm not sure how you're calculating that somehow this is going to produce a net loss for people. I think you just don't like the idea that people will be out hunting and possibly getting animals you would have gotten - but lets face it, a guy having enough food for his family takes precedent over that.
Frankly, I think you were very charitable Foxer.
I am no bleeding heart, but it is Christmas too. Not every poor person is a bum. Some have been dealt a bad hand, and not everyone can overcome it.
I have a neighbor with literacy isues of his own, who has 2 Down's syndrome kids and everyone of his kids (6??) wears glasses. Bottom line, he will never make good coin and will have to work damn hard for everything he has, and he is willing to do that. He does very well by his kids, considering what he has. He drives by my house every morning going to work and sees the same wildlife I do.
I know the guy did not fill his bull tag this fall. Wolves made bulls nervous in this area during the rut this year, lots didn't fill a tag. Something wrong with the world when it is poaching for a guy like this to knock down a cow for his freezer.
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In Alberta you can also donate wild game (taken under you own regular every day tag) to the food bank. It only applies to certain zones at certain times of year and the animal must be freshly killed. I have done it before. It's no skin of my balls to drop a doe and hand it in. I was once told it goes to the soup kitchens in the city's????
I don't think to many people are against that are they? I hope not.
I don't think to many people are against that are they? I hope not.
