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Baikal...just kidding....not that there's anything wrong with them ;)

#1.........525-32" barrels, adj comb,palm swell..nice wood

#2.........cynergy sporting classic-32" barrels, adj comb...really nice wood..

I was told by a gun smith that 525's are proned to more mechanical failures with heavy use, than the cynergy?

Both are gorgeous guns, but what are your opinions..

Thank you

Merry Christmas....opps Happy Holidays
 
Livtohunt said:
Baikal...just kidding....not that there's anything wrong with them ;)

#1.........525-32" barrels, adj comb,palm swell..nice wood

#2.........cynergy sporting classic-32" barrels, adj comb...really nice wood..

I was told by a gun smith that 525's are proned to more mechanical failures with heavy use, than the cynergy?

Both are gorgeous guns, but what are your opinions..

Thank you

Merry Christmas....opps Happy Holidays
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I would say that the cynergy has not been around long enough for the smith to make the determination that it would be less prone to mechanical failure than the citori. I have tried both and my preference is for the cynergy because of the narrow more beretta like profile:D
 
For some reason, the cynergy didn't feel and point as nice as the 525, the bead on the cynergy seemed to be to the left of the centre bead, and after 3or 4 adjustments to the comb, moving it inside, it still wasn't the feel or visual of the 525. maybe it was just me.....but someone had mentioned that the 525 has slight cast built in?
 
I am not an expert, but I took up some trap and skeet shooting this year and as a beginer the only rule that I have established is that a comfortable gun will always out perform a more or less expensive special gun. I have a Browning Citori 32" trap special and it really doesnt fit me very well. I am 6'4" and 240 pounds and the I was "told" the gun is meant for bigger people but I dont find it "easy" to shoot. After 100 rounds my cheek feels like I was boxing. I happend upon the gun for a VERY good deal so I bought it knowing that even if it didnt suit me I could sell it for a profit. A good freind was with me at the time and the seller also had a citori lightning feild special with a 26" barrel and for some reason I always shoot better with it, sometimes quit well.
 
Livtohunt said:
For some reason, the cynergy didn't feel and point as nice as the 525, the bead on the cynergy seemed to be to the left of the centre bead, and after 3or 4 adjustments to the comb, moving it inside, it still wasn't the feel or visual of the 525. maybe it was just me.....but someone had mentioned that the 525 has slight cast built in?
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I would go with what feels right and in your case might be the 525. For me I like the way my right hand and my left hand seem to work together on the cynergy. I also find the palm swell on the 525 a little bit of a turn off for me. That's just me and not a knock on the 525. Since you seem to be willing to spend a few $buck$, have to tried a side by side comparison to a sporting Beretta?
 
John Marshall said:
I have a Browning Citori 32" trap special and it really doesnt fit me very well. I am 6'4" and 240 pounds and the I was "told" the gun is meant for bigger people but I dont find it "easy" to shoot. After 100 rounds my cheek feels like I was boxing.
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That is a very big gun, but that does not mean it is meant for big people. I would bet that your beat up cheek is more due to stock fit than size of gun!
I have seen some really small shooters really do well with those big guns. You got to go with what works for you.
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Livtohunt.....Has anyone told you how much you look like that guy on trailer park boys? Anyhow...I'm not a big fan of Browning shotguns(Japanese ones), I've seen too many of them break down in competition. I think a Beretta is a better gun, IMHO. A skeet shooter i know has had nothing but trouble with a cynergy!
 
The 525 is a citori action the only thing that ever goes wrong with them is weak springs in the top lever and hammers after about 10 years of hard shooting. The parts to repair those problems cost a whoping $27 and take about 20min to install and you are good for another 10 years. The only other thing that I have had to replace is the odd chipped firing pin which does not cause any major malfunctions. I also don't think anybody has shot a cynergy enough to know how well they stand up. In 21 years of clay shooting I have never seen a browning break down in any competition, it seems next to imposible for me to believe that as the action parts are very simple and robust in a citori and not prone to breakage.
 
Well we must have been at very different trap shoots then....Citoris broke down regularly, the cynergy breakdowns are too numerous for me to list. The only Browning that I remember not giving problems over the years are the Bt99s and BT100s, possibly your thinking of the "indestructable" browning recoiless trap gun!
 
I must have been at the same shoots as DOUBLEMAN, shot ATA competitions heavily for 12 years in Ontario , Michigan, Ohio and have never seen a Citori fail on the line for any reason as opposed to a ton of "P" guns blowing trigger springs!!!
 
Browning or Browning ... pretty narrow choice. Choose whichever you like.

IMHO the Beretta 686E Sporter with adj. comb is a better competition gun for less money, and if you "just have to have" a 32" gun, then the 682GoldE is one of the best mid-priced competition guns on the market.
 
Between the Cynergy and the Citori I'd go for the Citori. It's been around for years, anything that can go wrong with it is pretty well known already. The Cynergy is an interesting design, seems to be standing up well but there aren't that many high mileage Cynergys out there to know for sure.

I don't agree that the Citori is any more prone to breakage. Any gun can break depending on how it's used and cared for. The only time I can recall Citoris causing problems was during a winter clays match several years ago that took place in a freezing rain storm. The Citoris starting malfunctioning while the Berettas kept chugging along. The theory was the open bottom on the Citoris allowed some rain to get in and froze preventing the guns from closing properly.
 
ben hunchak said:
Well we must have been at very different trap shoots then....Citoris broke down regularly, the cynergy breakdowns are too numerous for me to list. The only Browning that I remember not giving problems over the years are the Bt99s and BT100s, possibly your thinking of the "indestructable" browning recoiless trap gun!
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I have shot the hell out of 3 citori's for 15 years and finally about 2 months ago I replaced the springs in one of them. I think $27.00 in repair bills is pretty minor for 15 years service. My feild gun has been treated rough for 12 years hunting waterfowl with heavy loads in the rain and below freezing temps and never skipped a beat. I would really like to know what parts "broke down" on the citori's at your trap shoots and by the way a bt-99 has the same guts as a citori minus a bbl so I can't see them being any different.
 
It does not have to be a Browning at all. I really liked the feel of the 525 over the cynergy, a bit, but the palm swell on the 525 was a bit of a clumsy feeling, but it pointed sweeter than the cyn. I shouldered a 682goldE but my shooting companions, don't have alot good to say about Berettas...For whatever reasons, but the 682 did feel nice...The more I'm hearing about tubing the gun at a later time, the 32" barrels might make it far too muzzle heavy, more so than the 30...obviously...

What are your opinions on a Franchi Renissance Classic, someone has a used one, that he's wanting to part with....Same class gun or not? I really want an adj comb, if I'm going to spend the bucks on a decent gun..
 
I agree with doubleman and m12man! I have owned many citori guns and have never had a problem with them, but in all fairness I have never kept one very long. I have never seen anyone else with a problem that I recall. I have had problem with the big P guns! Mostly springs and had to replace two locking levers in one year on an MX8 and competition 1. One of the guys I shoot with uses a 391 because for the last 2 years his double beretta has been in and out of the gun hospital and there is no news if it will ever recover. Presently I have a cynergy euro sport and I quite like it, but the jury is out on how long it will last. So far I have experienced only one very minor problem.
 
What are your opinions on a Franchi Renissance Classic, someone has a used one, that he's wanting to part with....Same class gun or not? I really want an adj comb, if I'm going to spend the bucks on a decent gun..
 
franchi

stay away from franchi. Dispite being in the beretta/benelli umbrella company not even close to the same class as beretta or browning.
 
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Guess it really depends on what your using it for. I shoot a Citori XS special It is a sporting clay gun with adjustable comb. I find it fine for sporting clay and for skeet, I even hunt pheasants with it, but it is not the best trap gun.
I have shot a lot of them lately without anything standing out. Then last Sunday shot a Beretta Trap 682 Gold. Man that thing broke trap targets like a demon. It was incredibly soft to shoot and with the high rib seemed like I was seeing targets better, breaking them faster, and my soft rights that normally give grief, I was turning them into black clouds.
I could not imagine this gun being any use other than trap, but trap it does very well
So I just have to convince the wife that I need another $3000 plus shot gun and all will be well. Who said life was complicated ?
 
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