In the market for an Over Under. Is this Churchill good?

Actually they can’t make a decent pump or a decent o/u or a decent semi auto
If you shoot a few boxes a year then they are ok .
8000 rounds would be just nicely broken in 80,000 rounds would a significant Amount .
What brand of us scope failed the only USA made scope is leupold and it would not fail and I doubt u would put a scope that is worth more than the gun on the gun .
Chinese scopes and Turkish guns the perfect match
Like mentioned Turk guns are ok for casual shooting but certainly can not be compared to any gun of quality either from back in the day or built today
 
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I own a Churchill 520 SxS. It's a no frill gun that works well. I like the looks too.

I bought mine used and I am actively looking for another (used) one. I have maybe 50-75 rounds through it.

David
 
206s are steel reciever. Theyre well built. Ive seen many on the skeet fields and they work just fine.
A few interesting things always pop up in these threads. 1 many ppl hate on turkish guns without knowing a damn thing about them
They always say buy a b gun you can get them for $1500 youll loose money buying turkish well a new 686 is $2770 plus tax so at $1500 used its lost 50% value. The churhills go for 800 to 1300 new and sell for 700 to 1000 used. Im not stephen hawking but im pretty sure thats better than 50% sure not all used beretta are $1500 but the argument is always made. My a400 i bought mint condition used for $1299. Was said to have only fired 50 shells. The forend didnt even have any powder residue on it. That gun retails for $2250 plus tax
Ive had a turkish semi auto go 45000 rnds. Sure a cpuple parts broke but i had them replaced free within the week and they were shipped across the country. Good luck with stoeger when your beretta needs work. Ive seen them fail as well. Even high dollar models

There are certainly some brands to stay away from but others make a fine product for the money.
At one time Italian built meant cheap same with Belgium and spain. Now they are the top ranked.

I love my berettas but i also have to admit they are not as well finished as my huglus or dickinson
 
huntingfish said:
I own a Churchill 520 SxS. It's a no frill gun that works well. I like the looks too.

I bought mine used and I am actively looking for another (used) one. I have maybe 50-75 rounds through it.

David
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Finally an honest round count review!! Herein is where most fit in the average use department and come on these threads saying how great Turkish guns are and how well they stand up to all the use and abuse when in reality their round count is about what has been posted here but in their minds they have shot 7500 rounds. About the only way a person is going to get a decent built Turkish gun is to go with the higher end of the spectrum buying guns like the Yildiz Prostar(Perazzi MX12 copy) and have to spend as much as what a new Browning 725 Grade V or higher or Beretta Silver Pigeon 3 and up would cost you. To get a reliable well made gun in the $1350 range you are much further ahead to buy a used B gun or even an older Win 101 or Rem 3200. You'll get a far superior gun and still be able to find parts and gunsmiths that can work on them if needed. There is a fellow I see at shoots occasionally who is on his third Churchill Trap Combo in as many seasons. The factory replaced the first one for him when it had a major issue inside of the first 1000 rounds and tried to fix the replacement gun when it did the same but could not get it working right. They replaced it too and he is now on his third gun with approximately 3000 rounds down the pipe w/o issues. He was told by the dealer he bought it from that the factory relayed if the third gun went down they would not be replacing it.
 
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Finally an honest round count review!! Herein is where most fit in the average use department and come on these threads saying how great Turkish guns are and how well they stand up to all the use and abuse when in reality their round count is about what has been posted here but in their minds they have shot 7500 rounds. About the only way a person is going to get a decent built Turkish gun is to go with the higher end of the spectrum buying guns like the Yildiz Prostar(Perazzi MX12 copy) and have to spend as much as what a new Browning 725 Grade V or higher or Beretta Silver Pigeon 3 and up would cost you. To get a reliable well made gun in the $1350 range you are much further ahead to buy a used B gun or even an older Win 101 or Rem 3200. You'll get a far superior gun and still be able to find parts and gunsmiths that can work on them if needed. There is a fellow I see at shoots occasionally who is on his third Churchill Trap Combo in as many seasons. The factory replaced the first one for him when it had a major issue inside of the first 1000 rounds and tried to fix the replacement gun when it did the same but could not get it working right. They replaced it too and he is now on his third gun with approximately 3000 rounds down the pipe w/o issues. He was told by the dealer he bought it from that the factory relayed if the third gun went down they would not be replacing it.
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We have had several Turkish shotguns show up at skeet, including a couple of Churchhills, not one of them has fired 3000 rounds, most have not fired 1000 rounds. Either the shooter tried skeet and gave up on it, or they upgraded to a better quality shotgun.
 
I think it's the same with the hard core Remington/Winchester/Savage crowd just trying to protect their image as "superior all-American made" firearms threatened by, at one time, upstart Tikka's and CZ's. Well just as Tikka and CZ are here to stay (and have been producing quality and innovative firearms for 100 years) so will the Huglus and Derya's and other quality Turkish brands. BTW, Turkey has been making firearms for probably near 100 years too. ;)

I am on my second Canuck made by Derya, and those who really know me know that I put my firearms through some pretty torturous tests!
 
All weather, lots of mud, 3" high brass slugs, 00 buckshot, #4 buckshot, and tossing it around like the tool that it was designed to be. I haven't used one to hammer in a tent peg, yet ;). Most of my rifles are treated far more kindly.
 
As a comparison, my Mossberg 500 Tactical's front sight fell off after tapping it on my locker door when it was new. My fiirst Remington 870 Express rusted constantly and I had to resort to floor wax to keep the rust at bay. Both functioned fine but required more break-in than my Canuck to smooth things up.
 
the spank said:
Finally an honest round count review!! Herein is where most fit in the average use department and come on these threads saying how great Turkish guns are and how well they stand up to all the use and abuse when in reality their round count is about what has been posted here but in their minds they have shot 7500 rounds. About the only way a person is going to get a decent built Turkish gun is to go with the higher end of the spectrum buying guns like the Yildiz Prostar(Perazzi MX12 copy) and have to spend as much as what a new Browning 725 Grade V or higher or Beretta Silver Pigeon 3 and up would cost you. To get a reliable well made gun in the $1350 range you are much further ahead to buy a used B gun or even an older Win 101 or Rem 3200. You'll get a far superior gun and still be able to find parts and gunsmiths that can work on them if needed. There is a fellow I see at shoots occasionally who is on his third Churchill Trap Combo in as many seasons. The factory replaced the first one for him when it had a major issue inside of the first 1000 rounds and tried to fix the replacement gun when it did the same but could not get it working right. They replaced it too and he is now on his third gun with approximately 3000 rounds down the pipe w/o issues. He was told by the dealer he bought it from that the factory relayed if the third gun went down they would not be replacing it.
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With honesty comes the luxury of choosing something that will actually fit your own needs, not the needs of everyone else on the Internet ;-) And for what I do, my Churchill so far meets and exceeds my needs. Which is great.

2021 was special in that I just bought my Churchill, so we shot a few clay birds to get used to the gun. I was able to tag a moose early on and had lots of opportunity to walk around and tag several grouse. I figured about 2 boxes of clay birds and 1 box during hunting.

I most probably won't be shooting 3000 rounds per year ever. So this is plenty of gun for me.
 
huntingfish said:
With honesty comes the luxury of choosing something that will actually fit your own needs, not the needs of everyone else on the Internet ;-) And for what I do, my Churchill so far meets and exceeds my needs. Which is great.

2021 was special in that I just bought my Churchill, so we shot a few clay birds to get used to the gun. I was able to tag a moose early on and had lots of opportunity to walk around and tag several grouse. I figured about 2 boxes of clay birds and 1 box during hunting.

I most probably won't be shooting 3000 rounds per year ever. So this is plenty of gun for me.
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Thing is, the OP is looking at buying a sporting gun, not a field gun. Your criteria is for a field gun that shoots at low volumes, the OP's criteria is for a sporting gun that shoots at high volumes. The point of discussion here is whether the Turkish guns will hold up to high volume shooting...
 
The model 206 Sporting w 32inch barrels suggests it is best suited to clays, vice field use. But that end use is up to the buyer and his or her preference for barrel length. I used to sell these and other Turkish made shotguns and I agree with the people who consider them good value. Talk to the vendor about their warranty experiences and who does the work. You may learn something useful.
 
The Kurgan said:
All weather, lots of mud, 3" high brass slugs, 00 buckshot, #4 buckshot, and tossing it around like the tool that it was designed to be. I haven't used one to hammer in a tent peg, yet ;). Most of my rifles are treated far more kindly.
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That's all fair enough but any shotgun should be able to take that sort of use regardless of cost.
 
I’ve got a few Churchill doubles.....two SxS’s and an O/U. I feel that the Churchill’s are one of the better Turkish guns. My 12g SxS must have a few thousand rounds through it and its still locks up like it did when it was new. My 206 Orcap is also solid. Cant confirm round count but dare I say I like it better then my Brownings. I may in fact sell my 12g 725 as I prefer the Churchill. But that remains to be seen....

As for the 206, it has a steel receiver. Not sure why others are suggesting that its build on an aluminum receiver.
 
cosmic said:
Thing is, the OP is looking at buying a sporting gun, not a field gun. Your criteria is for a field gun that shoots at low volumes, the OP's criteria is for a sporting gun that shoots at high volumes. The point of discussion here is whether the Turkish guns will hold up to high volume shooting...
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Point taken! I did not catch the sporting bit before replying. My bad.
 
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