3K$-4K$ Precision Rifle?

[jkajfes]

Did you say Ottawa? What do you plan to shoot with it? Come and see us in Ottawa and we will put together a world class rifle for you. No Remington or Savage here!

Take Ian up on his offer he does first class work, he's close to you, Connaught is close to you and a lot of Shooters come from Quebec to shoot Ottawa when they're not busy on their own ranges... he has done work on two of mine and they kinda shoot pretty good.

For 4 grand Norm Barber would be watering at the mouth with that much to play around with for a new rig...

 

[redman]

Ok your really not ready to do this, you have a LOT more reading to do first.

That's why I'm here! Keep the info coming...

now you will have to take the time to listen to the advice others are trying to give you here:

1) go custom : you dont want to but how are you going to feel when sommeone outshoots you with a custom savage at 1500 $ ?

2) dont get the blaser r93: you know how is saying that to you ? the bigest blaser dealer in canada... because of the wired action of that particular model

3) buy online: bargain ??? they wanted 3400 and there is a guy offering you one for 2600. How much of a bargain do you think you could get ?? a hudered or two and a free hat ??

its extremely easy to buy online if you have the right permits.

1) As I'll elaborate below, I won't be competing (is this a competition-only part of the forum?).
2) I don't see how a "weird action" would compromise a rifle that performs as stated - so I won't be twisting the bolt, no big deal.
3) I see your point, but it couldn't hurt to see if they could match the price. BTW, loved the "hudered or two and a free hat" part!

you talk about price and model but you never said what you want to do with it ?

are you trying to look like a sniper or do you really want performance at a distance because a tube gun will outshoot all your choises for a fraction of the price. Do you want to compete ? F class ? bench rest ? sniper macth ?


all i am saying is go to the precision rifle section and read all the posts before you ask questions. listen to the pepole here they know their stuff 10000% more then any local dealers in montreal and they will not try to bulls**t you like 99% of the local shops

I took a glance at the stickies, but they don't seem to address my issue here - I'll search some more non-sticky articles.

This is for recreational target shooting (not competitive); LOL, I'm not looking to look like a sniper, but I have the budget for a good rifle - this is something I don't want to obsess over, which is why I wanted something good out of the box.

Anyway, I appreciate you playing Devil's advocate - thanks for the input.

 

[esquif]

ok on your point 2

very great accuracy is only obtained by putting together 3 things : great gun, great ammo, great shooter. the sig use a wired action that will preclude you to use one of the reloaders best weapon neck sizing.

The best tool in a precision shooter setup is consistency. you want to elliminate a MAXIMUM of variation so you can concentrate on the one that you cannot elliminate ie: you.

once you fire a rifle the brass casing takes on expension and will be formed to your exact chamber dimensions. SO by neck sizing only you take that part of the equasion out since all your brass IS perfectly fited to your gun chamber. The sig does not allow that. it not just a question of turning a bolt.


forget the sticky and go a read all the posts you can look at pepoles set-up and what works for them. precision shooting is a mix of precision shooting, gunsithing and reloading you cant take any of that out of the equation.

 

[Troy G]

I am going to echo the notion of going custom. I am also going to suggest that you build a purpose built bench rifle. Nothing like shooting from a good pedestal front rest and rear bag or shooting a heavy gun from a front and rear rest set-up. With a consistent rig you can worry about learning to read weather conditions instead of second guessing your gear.

If you want short range agging accuracy get a rifle chambered in 6ppc. If you want long range accuracy you need to be looking at 1000 yard benchrest set-ups and F-Class rifles. All the rifles you have mentioned do not come in chamberings that typically win short range or long range competitions. Not many 1000 yard benchrest shooters winning with .308 WIN chamberings.

 

[pazzo]

 

[redman]

Hi Troy,

Thanks for the advice, but as I mentioned in my last post:

This is for recreational target shooting (not competitive); LOL, I'm not looking to look like a sniper, but I have the budget for a good rifle - this is something I don't want to obsess over, which is why I wanted something good out of the box.

I see that this is a very custom-oriented bunch here, and I'm not trying to be stubborn but, for the time being, I'm not interested in building something from the ground up. I hope that settles it once and for all.

pazzo,

This looks like some 700 variant with a different stock, correct? Don't need all the fancy camo paint though, I don't plan on hiding from anybody

I am going to echo the notion of going custom. I am also going to suggest that you build a purpose built bench rifle. Nothing like shooting from a good pedestal front rest and rear bag or shooting a heavy gun from a front and rear rest set-up. With a consistent rig you can worry about learning to read weather conditions instead of second guessing your gear.

If you want short range agging accuracy get a rifle chambered in 6ppc. If you want long range accuracy you need to be looking at 1000 yard benchrest set-ups and F-Class rifles. All the rifles you have mentioned do not come in chamberings that typically win short range or long range competitions. Not many 1000 yard benchrest shooters winning with .308 WIN chamberings.

 

[Terry Perkins]

are you trying to look like a sniper or do you really want performance at a distance because a tube gun will outshoot all your choises for a fraction of the price. Do you want to compete ? F class ? bench rest ? sniper macth ?

Did you say tube gun? Thanks esquif. Just awesome for F class, precision/sniper matches, and varmints.

 

[Troy G]

Pazzo, I was actually thinking more like these:

Redman,

It is your money, Good luck with whatever you decide to do. I just have a hard time trying to understand why someone would want to spend 4000 on a non custom rifle; my problem, not yours.

 

[Sako300]

I think if I were starting out ( No, I'm not a sniper/marksman, etc), I'd get a decent rig, a pile of bullets and shoot the hel* out of a few targets. i'd listen to pointers from fellow marksmen, and hang around the range- and even join a few informal matches.

I think your shooting would improve, you'd have lots of fun, and would quickly know what (specifically) you needed to improve YOU, the shooter.

Now back to our regularly sceduled programming.....

 

[pazzo]

Redman, it's a GA Precision Crusader .308 Win.

"GAP Crusader, 308 Win

GAP 7000 action
23 inch Obermeyer 1-11.25 Stainless 5R barrel
Oversize hardened and ground recoil lug (pinned)
left side bolt stop/release
one piece design bolt with tactical knob
Bolt precision fit to action
McMillan A5 stock in GAP Camo
13 3/4 Inch LOP, 1 stud 4 Flush Cups
Pillar bedded with 7075 pillars, Skimmed in Marinetex
Finished in Mil spec O.D. Cerakote
1 piece 20 MOA Base, 8-40 Hardware
T.I.S. slip cuff sling in O.D.
Remington trigger tuned to crisp 2.5 pound pull
3/8 MOA Guarantee with match grade ammunition

1-2 week shipment

P/N: #CRU-XX Price: $3325"

 

[Skullboy]

Also factor into your budget money for decent optics...........no sense in spending $4000.00 for a rifle and then putting a $200.00 cheapie scope on it.......................you need optics that will let you get the most out of your rifle.

Set aside at least $1500.00 for a quality scope to go with the rifle. For $1500.00 to $2000.00 you can get top line Leupold or Nightforce optics.

You can score some good deals in the EE Forum on used scopes for a lot less...............

SKBY.

 

[redman]

Troy,

Those are some nice platforms, but I prefer a stock allowing me to have a pistol-style grip. Tried the normal ones and it didn't feel as right...

I think I'd be opening up a huge can of worms here if I asked: "What about a custom set up?"

Skullboy,

I already got a good deal on a Mark 4, so I'm not worried about the scope.

 

[CyaN1de]

I think I'd be opening up a huge can of worms here if I asked: "What about a custom set up?"

Here is what I did for my custom F-Class setup.

Rem XR-100 in 22-250 (.308 bolt head), Had the action trued and a match barrel in 6BR put on it. Bought a 2nd hand NF scope, put a Jewell trigger in it myself and I am in for less than $3000.

Rem XR-100 - $1000 (I love the thumbhole stock)
Match Barrel - $500 (mine was slightly used so it was less) riflebarrels.ca has Krieger barrels at a good price
Smithwork - $350-$450 (YMMV as my barrel was already threaded for a Rem Action and chambered for 6BR)
2nd hand NF - $800 (I have a new NF on the way that will be around $1500 landed)
Jewell Trigger - $200

Took my Gunsmith 2 days to do the truing and put it together.

I shoot with 3 other people who built F-Class rigs on the same XR-100 platform, some just used different barrels, and every one of them is a sub MOA shooter.

 

[redman]

Remember, I'm not competing! My shooting will be recreational... (not trying to be a jerk by bringing that up all the time, but I notice people always referring to how in such and such competition, I should get X setup).

Thanks anyway. On top of that, I'm not all that knowlegeable in the individual parts, which is why I'm reticent about custom... But that's not the point. Thus far, the rifle that's come up most often is the TRG-22; anything else worth noting in my price range?

 

[esquif]

yes thats the issue in your price range a lot of stock is avilable

did you look at the tube gun ? super acurate and easy to take care of. recreational shooting dosent mean a thing because what i find recreational is very diffrent then the next guy.

you want to shoot long range but how long exactly ?

as you dont look very experience my sugestion is get a savage LE2B in macmillan stock, a 20 moa base, your scope spend the rest of the money on precision reloading gear. this will shoot better then you do 1 moa or better and when you figure what you want you will still have money in your pocket and the equipment to reaload

 

[redman]

By recreational, all I mean is that I won't be entering any competitions, just shooting with a buddy of mine. The haven't found any ranges in/around Montreal that go beyond 200m and I've been told that they are legally limited to that distance (that true, esquif?). So that's my limit, as far as I know.

Tell me more about these tube guns - I've seen them before, but never paid much attention...

And there you go with the custom setup again! So you wouldn't recommend ANY factory rifle for my requirements?

 

[Mystic Precision]

For 200yds, a fast twist 223, 75gr Amax and live happily ever after. There are several HB rifles that will meet your accuracy expectations and be well under $1000. Should have a true 9 or faster twist.

Brands include Savage, Rem, CZ (might still be a 12 but then 55gr match bullets work great at 200yds too). A varminter version with the stock you like and learn how to reload, and shoot.

A short range BR type rifle can be scary accurate but then you can get caught in spending more time tweaking then shooting. A true BR rifle can shoot 1/2" OR LESS aggs at 200yds.

For a challenge, a quality 22LR rifle like an Anschutz/Walther/CZ/match rimfire. Feel like you are shooting 800+yds when only shooting 200yds.

Nothing better at teaching you how to dope the wind when you only have a short range to enjoy.

Jerry

 

[CyaN1de]

Remember, I'm not competing! My shooting will be recreational... (not trying to be a jerk by bringing that up all the time, but I notice people always referring to how in such and such competition, I should get X setup).

Thanks anyway. On top of that, I'm not all that knowlegeable in the individual parts, which is why I'm reticent about custom... But that's not the point. Thus far, the rifle that's come up most often is the TRG-22; anything else worth noting in my price range?

Trust me...I shoot for recreation only as well....I just entered the local comps last year because I figured it would be a good drunk afterwards. Lord was I right

 

[frzburn]

I've already posted in the firsts posts, and now I've read all the other posts...

You don't want a custom rifle, and you'll be shooting at 200 yards. I would suggest you to buy a Rem 700P (LTR or not) and you'll have a .50 MOA rifle in your hands, for 1000$.

But if you really want to spend all that money on a rifle that won't shoot over 200 yards, and you're just shooting for fun, just go out and pick the best looking one for 4000$... You don't want custom, you don't really care about precision, so just pick the one you like... It's sad, but that's what you want.


I'll allow myself to add a little comment: I've read a couple of time, when you were talking about custom rifles, that you simply didn't want to build a rifle from ground up. It's not necessarily THIS complicated... Just buy a nice rifle (say, Rem 700P or Savage 10FP), change the stock, square the action, cut the barrel, and you almost got a .25 MOA rifle... whit more gunsmithing and some cash, you can have a sub .25 MOA rifle. For example: http://www.snipercentral.com/tacops700p.htm


But hey, do want you want, don't get a custom, buy a 4000$ rifle that's not even .5 MOA

 

[esquif]

that 200 is not true thats for shure i know lots of places with longer range

also its no a custom set-up its a factory set-up probably the best performance/price combo out there if you ask serious shooter

its this gun

http://www.savagearms.com/10fpmcmillan.htm

a base from this guy (you will need one on most factory rifle)

http://www.kenfarrell.com/SAV-NS-1-20.html

good rings

http://www.badgerord.com/productgroup.php?id=rings#

your scope and thats it


also for a factory rifle you could always go with a made in canada solution

the PGW coyote you will pay close to 5k all included and you will have one of the best rifle on earth PERIOD

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=166882

as for tube gun

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=145762&highlight=tube+gun


also tell us more about that deal you have on a leupold ? how much ? did you consider higer quality scope ?