Potential CWD Vaccine on the horizon

Great White - not really understanding what you meant by "this". I do know that hunters tend to care about maintaining healthy game populations - much more than average urbanite. And we have been very wrong in the past, by working to inadequate or incorrect information.

I was President of a small town local Sask Wildlife Branch - maybe 1980's - we donated $$$ and time to build deer feeders. Was a province wide effort by the SWF. A plant in Nipawin (?) donated or had really reduced cost alfalfa pellets for feeding deer throughout Sask over the winter. It sounded good and made "sense", but we apparently killed thousands of them - maybe tens of thousands - winter deer just not set up internally to handle that intense food source - they constipated, and died. Was not the general population that was trying to help - was mainly hunters. In that case, not a really good job, at all. But we tried. And put up our time and our money for that effort.

So my own view would be that I would again donate my time and my money to resolve the CWD thing - if there was evidence that there was a plan with some hope of working. Not seeing that so far.
 
You make some good points, I know very few who bait as defined by the regs. The most disgusting place I’ve every worked was drilling monitoring wells around an massive rendering plant in the states. Think gelatine, bone meal, blood meal and other thing, if only you could see and smell the process. The forklifts where covered in black rotten slime. I’d take abattoir any day.
 
On some level prion diseases are like COVID if it’s as deadly and endemic as reported we should have died by now. I do wonder about Alzheimer’s and early onset, “seems” more prevalent, then maybe it’s because historical cause of death are being eliminated or drawn along for many years. It’s sad to see seniors suffering for years or decades. A sick patient is a profitable one.
 
FreedomIsn'tFree said:
So every animal will eat it and not only deer?
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That’s what we do with the rabies vaccines. Drop the little green vanilla biscuits out of the Twotter at 300 feet, and all sorts of critters eat them. Mind you, all sorts of critters can get rabies, unlike CWD.

For rabies, it’s been hugely effective though. Rabies is way down in this area in every critter except bats. (The one critter that won’t eat the baits).
 
Off the top of my head I can recall vaccinating Cattle for blackleg, scours, and shipping fever, Pigs for erysipelas, Chickens and Turkeys for coccidiosis, cholera, and so on and etcetera. Almost all domestic meat producing animals receive at least one vaccination in their lifetime, and have for generations. If you think vaccines make your food dangerous you could try buying a big roll of aluminum foil. I read somewhere on the internet that wearing a tinfoil hat blocks thought control energy waves that the bad guys use to brainwash the masses. ;-)
 
m1008 said:
On some level prion diseases are like COVID if it’s as deadly and endemic as reported we should have died by now. I do wonder about Alzheimer’s and early onset, “seems” more prevalent, then maybe it’s because historical cause of death are being eliminated or drawn along for many years. It’s sad to see seniors suffering for years or decades. A sick patient is a profitable one.
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Prion diseases are absolutely NOT like COVID/influenza. The latter are respiratory illnesses that can be fought by the host's immune system. Prion diseases are completely different, they are abnormal proteins that attach themselves to the host's natural protein and changing them permanently. The abnormal proteins so far, CANNOT be removed, or killed, from the host. They kill the host, like Alzheimer's, over several years.

Do you also not understand how this thing is unfolding? It started and decimated game farms; wild animals started being infected and slowly started infecting other wild animals. CWD is transmitted through fluids, ie saliva or urine. An infected deer eats/pisses in a pile of corn, healthy deer eat from the same contaminated pile of corn and catch diseased prions. The same infected deer, a doe, now reaches the rut, bucks all around her put their snouts in her behind chasing that doe around, now all those bucks become infected with abnormal proteins.

The growth is exponential. It takes a while, but the more cervids are infected, the greater the spread.

You can heal and recover from COVID, you can also die from it, but chances are you will be fine. You will definitely not be fine if you have a prion disease, modern medicine can help you and slow it down, but it cannot, so far, heal you.
 
hoytcanon said:
The deer are not allowed into the alfalfa fields without proof of two doses.
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I can see it now... soon CBC will be reporting from the road. Plenty of video and audio clips from the various small groups of deer gathered in herds in fields throughout the middle of Canada (especially in Ab/SK)! Showing them protesting and demanding that Justin ban the unvaxed! And that they should loose their ability to participate in hunting seasons!!!.Laugh2

Edit: CWD is a scourge on our wildlife. All jokes aside it's stuff like this deserves resources, unlike the phizer/mederna crap we have been living with lately.
 
^so why hasn’t there been a mass die off of people in the uk from mad cow. I understand where it was discovered in the states and the history of it unfolding. It’s why I’ve posted multiple times against high fence hunting and people farming cervids. Yet hunters and ranchers still hate wolves. Doe urine is still a thing and readily available to those that want it.

Maybe a beef farmer/scientist can answer this. By slaughtering an animal before it reaches an age that it can show symptoms of mad cow disease how does that prevent prions from entering the food chain?
Wouldn’t you want to eat an old healthy cow.

I remember being at Fleming college 2000 and listening to a presentation about how mad cow would eventually make it to Canada, he was right. You don’t hear much about the latest cases in the news.
Canada won’t be exporting beef again. Be sad to see cwd in the caribou herds.

The COVID analogy was about similarities between idiotic precautions like cloth masks and hand sanitizer saving you and provincial guides about handling meat and not eating certain animal parts will protect you. It’s nonsense.

Once prions are found in foodstuffs the prairies will truly be f**ked.

There’s an older rogan podcast with a researcher from Michigan or Minnesota state. He gets into the history and science about cwd and how prions evolve even though “not a living thing”. The science on cross species transmission is old and outdated.
 
m1008 said:
^so why hasn’t there been a mass die off of people in the uk from mad cow. I understand where it was discovered in the states and the history of it unfolding. It’s why I’ve posted multiple times against high fence hunting and people farming cervids. Yet hunters and ranchers still hate wolves. Doe urine is still a thing and readily available to those that want it.

Maybe a beef farmer/scientist can answer this. By slaughtering an animal before it reaches an age that it can show symptoms of mad cow disease how does that prevent prions from entering the food chain?
Wouldn’t you want to eat an old healthy cow.

I remember being at Fleming college 2000 and listening to a presentation about how mad cow would eventually make it to Canada, he was right. You don’t hear much about the latest cases in the news.
Canada won’t be exporting beef again. Be sad to see cwd in the caribou herds.

The COVID analogy was about similarities between idiotic precautions like cloth masks and hand sanitizer saving you and provincial guides about handling meat and not eating certain animal parts will protect you. It’s nonsense.

Once prions are found in foodstuffs the prairies will truly be f**ked.

There’s an older rogan podcast with a researcher from Michigan or Minnesota state. He gets into the history and science about cwd and how prions evolve even though “not a living thing”. The science on cross species transmission is old and outdated.
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The current issue is not about transmission to humans, but about this wildlife resource going to waste. This is about maintaining a healthy herd so that our children's children will be able to hunt cervids. Stopping and/or reducing the spread of CWD so that it doesn't affect 100% of the herd.

This disease is very real, spreading like wildfire in the west and killing animals.
 
m1008 said:
Maybe a beef farmer/scientist can answer this. By slaughtering an animal before it reaches an age that it can show symptoms of mad cow disease how does that prevent prions from entering the food chain?
Wouldn’t you want to eat an old healthy cow.
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If your asking if cattle are butchered at the age they are because its before possible prions could enter the food chain, not so. They are butchered at the age they are because that is the prime age/size for max weight gain for the feed ingested. Old cows don't taste as good because they are old, that meat goes into ground beef etc. Quality steaks, roasts etc come from young animals.
 
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