Flashlight on rifle while hunting.

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Ok so I'm sure I'll get flamed for this question but here goes...

Lets say you have a rifle that serves more than one purpose.

This rifle has a flashlight mounted.

You want to use this rifle to hunt coyotes in the day time. The light is mounted on the rifle but not being used.

Is this legal?

If no then would having the battery's removed and lens covered make it legal?
 
"Legal"? At least in my province (SK), yes.

"Wise"? Not a chance...

If you do find yourself confronted by a CO, (particularly at let's say... 2 minutes before legal shooting light ends) it certainly suggests less-than-legal intentions. Batteries or not. And rest assured, you'll be charged based on the assumption of guilt, regardless of actions otherwise.
 
Is it a good idea? Absolutely not.
Is it illegal. No.
If you were the game warden, you’d have the exact same concerns.
Take the 5 minutes and remove it!
 
Change your mounting method, mine installs and removes in seconds.
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IMHO I would say just remove the light for hunting. Why risk it.

"Legal"? At least in my province (SK), yes.

"Wise"? Not a chance...

If you do find yourself confronted by a CO, (particularly at let's say... 2 minutes before legal shooting light ends) it certainly suggests less-than-legal intentions. Batteries or not. And rest assured, you'll be charged based on the assumption of guilt, regardless of actions otherwise.

Is it a good idea? Absolutely not.
Is it illegal. No.
If you were the game warden, you’d have the exact same concerns.
Take the 5 minutes and remove it!

Agree with the above.
 
I have a light on a shotgun that I hunt with all the time, it’s got a QD lever and removes in seconds when I head out hunting. When it’s at home the light is mounted. I have needed it at night or in the early morning when we’ve had coyotes, bears or cougars skulking around the farm. Best of both worlds, a light on a working gun is just as important as a sling or a shell card.

Any others I have lights mounted on remove quick.
 
Didn't think this would be such a serious discussion. Its a light with a somewhat QD attachment method. Take it off when needed or don't, if you're shooting during daylight who cares. I had to finish off a deer while holding a light and holding my rifle, you bet I wish I had a mount then.
 
Read the Alberta Regs.

Carefully. I'm ten years out of Alberta, so am not at all up to date.

Here in BC, shooting at night, for various reasons, is not strictly Verboten. Other places, it is, no matter the circumstances, and in others, the circumstances dictate, like coon hunting in Ontario.

Personally, I figure that the last thing ever attached to a gun that need entirely precise repeatability, is likely gonna be a light of any sort. YMMV, but if you are at all concerned, after reading the Regs carefully, look at a means to provide a reasonably accurate QD system, if you still are concerned.

As a source for some ideas on that, I would suggest some of the UK or Aussie/NZ sites and magazines (esp. the Brit Airgun Mags), as they have a tradition of night shooting that does not automatically assume that you are a poacher. Lot of pest and varmint control shoots taking place in darkness, without a hint of foul play!
 
Page 62 of the Wildlife Act.

Schedule Items Prohibited for Hunting Purposes
Item 1 Items prohibited for hunting all wildlife
1 An arrow equipped with an explosive head.
2 A swivel set or spring gun.
3 A firearm that is capable of firing more than one bullet during one pressure of the trigger or a firearm that can be altered to operate as such. This subitem prevails in the event of any conflict with the exception in subitem 10. 4 A poisonous substance described in section 32(5) or an immobilizing drug.
5 A light.


<https://www.qp.alberta.ca/1266.cfm?page=W10.cfm&leg_type=Acts&isbncln=9780779820467>

It is unlawful to

● apply on draws or obtain recreational licences in Alberta if:
i) your hunting privileges are under a licence suspension/cancellation in Alberta (or elsewhere) or
ii) if you fail to pay your fine after being convicted of a provincial hunting or provincial sportfishing offence.
● carry or use another person's licence or tag or allow another person to use your licence or tag.
● fail to carry a hunting licence when the hunter is hunting under the authority of that licence or when the hunter is transporting game taken under it.
● fail to produce a licence when requested to do so by a wildlife officer.
● * For hunters that carry licences electronically (instead of paper), the AlbertaRelm APP is the only acceptable means of doing so. Tags cannot be carried electronically; they are a component part of many licences and must also be carried when required and produced to an officer upon request.
harass, injure or kill any wildlife with a vehicle, aircraft or boat.
hunt any wildlife with or from an aircraft, or communicate, for the purpose of hunting, the signs or whereabouts of wildlife seen during a flight on an aircraft, including the use of unmanned aerial vehicles.
transport dead wildlife taken by others without an accompanying bill of lading (click here for downloadable pdf ) signed by the licence or permit holder and providing the following details:
the kind and number of the licence under which the wildlife was killed or possessed,
a description of the wildlife,
the points of origin and destination, and
the date on which the wildlife is to be transported.
set out, use or employ any of the following items for the purpose of hunting any wildlife:
an arrow equipped with an explosive head,
a firearm that is capable of firing more than one bullet during one pressure of the trigger or a firearm that can be altered to operate as such,
a light
a shotgun of a gauge greater than 10,
a device designed to deaden the sound of the report of a firearm,
recorded wildlife calls or sounds, or an electronically operated calling device except; 1) when hunting migratory game birds with the use of calls or sounds that mimic snow geese, or 2) using electronic calls to hunt crows, magpies, coyote, red fox and wolf (using sounds that mimic these animals, rabbits, hares, or rodents).
a pistol or revolver unless
– the person is a licenced trapper (holding a federal authorization) who is dispatching an animal caught in a trap, or
– it is an air powered pistol or revolver that discharges a projectile at less than 500 feet per second (often used for hunting small game).
live wildlife,
a swivel set or spring gun, or
a poisonous substance or an immobilizing drug.

abandon, destroy or allow flesh suitable for human consumption of any game bird or big game animal (except cougar or bear), to become unfit for human consumption.
have a loaded firearm (live ammunition in breech, chamber or magazine) in or on, or discharge a weapon from

a boat unless the boat is propelled by muscular power or is at anchor and the person is hunting, or
any kind of aircraft or vehicle whether it is moving or stationary.
Note: Ammunition may be carried in a magazine that is not attached to the firearm. Click here for contact information regarding federal firearms legislation.

discharge a weapon within 183 m (200 yards) or cause a projectile from a weapon to pass within 183 m (200 yards) of any occupied building. Owners, occupants, or persons authorized by the owner or occupant are excepted, subject to local bylaws.
discharge a firearm from or cause a projectile from a firearm to pass along or across:
a) a provincial highway (this designation applies to all former primary and secondary highways),
b) a road that is paved, oiled, graded or regularly maintained, unless
- the road is held under any active disposition under the Public Lands Act or under an order under the Surface Rights Act, or
- the person is hunting game birds with a shotgun under the authority of a licence.
Note: if there is no identifiable ditch or fence to mark the outside edge of the roadway, then the roadway extends 20 feet from the edge of the traveled portion.
hunt any wildlife while impaired by alcohol or drugs.
hunt any wildlife or discharge a firearm between one-half hour after sunset and one-half hour before sunrise. (See sunrise/sunset table)
alter, destroy or remove any sign or notice that has been posted under the authority of the Wildlife Act, Petty Trespass Act or the Migratory Birds Regulations.
hunt any wildlife or discharge any firearm on or over occupied land or enter on to such land for the purpose of doing so without the consent of the owner or occupant of the land.
NOTE: There is an additional requirement affecting access for guided hunts (Click here for information on Hunting Privileges on Occupied, Private & Public Land, or scroll down for more information).
possess a firearm of a calibre larger than .22 in a helicopter over WMUs 400-446.
hunt with a firearm if you are under 18 years of age and not accompanied by a parent, legal guardian or by a person 18 years of age or older who has the written permission of the parent or legal guardian. Click here for Canadian Firearms Centre contact information.
disturb traps, sets or trapping cabins.
feed black bears, grizzly bears, cougars, wolves and coyotes, unless while legally hunting where baiting is permitted.



<https://albertaregulations.ca/huntingregs/genregs.html#general>

Schedule

Items Prohibited for Hunting Purposes

Item 1
Items prohibited for hunting all wildlife

1 An arrow equipped with an explosive head.

2 A swivel set or spring gun.

3 A firearm that is capable of firing more than one bullet during one pressure of the trigger or a firearm that can be altered to operate as such. This subitem prevails in the event of any conflict with the exception in subitem 10.

4 A poisonous substance described in section 32(5) or an immobilizing drug.

5 A light.



<https://www.qp.alberta.ca/1266.cfm?page=W10.cfm&leg_type=Acts&isbncln=9780779820467&display=html>
 
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^^I would assume from the above regulations they are referring to using a light vs having a light, otherwise having a head lamp or flashlight on you would be illegal.
That said, having a light attached to a firearm might be viewed differently than simply having a flashlight?
If it was me, I would do as others suggested and simply change the mount to end the concern and be done with it.
 
So, just an old guy's comment, after too many years working underground - you might want to consider a light on your head - that way, what you look at it is illuminated, regardless where the firearm is pointed. I do not have a light on any firearm, but I do have a "head light" - but seems to me that you have to point that firearm towards what you want to see - which could also turn out to be something that you do not want to shoot. I do not understand that an illumination light is an aiming device - might be different if it also contains a laser, but that is different discussion??
 
So, just an old guy's comment, after too many years working underground - you might want to consider a light on your head - that way, what you look at it is illuminated, regardless where the firearm is pointed. I do not have a light on any firearm, but I do have a "head light" - but seems to me that you have to point that firearm towards what you want to see - which could also turn out to be something that you do not want to shoot. I do not understand that an illumination light is an aiming device - might be different if it also contains a laser, but that is different discussion??

Safety first... legality second...
 
I've used, legally, a light to shoot predators on our farm after dark. If an animal is threatening your livelihood, in some jurisdictions, it is legal to shoot it. That is not a "hunting" situation in Saskatchewan. Hunting rules do not apply. But, if someone was wandering around the bush or on someone else's property with a light attached to their firearm, it would be reasonable for a CO or the police to assume they were up to something illegal.
 
So, just an old guy's comment, after too many years working underground - you might want to consider a light on your head - that way, what you look at it is illuminated, regardless where the firearm is pointed. I do not have a light on any firearm, but I do have a "head light" - but seems to me that you have to point that firearm towards what you want to see - which could also turn out to be something that you do not want to shoot. I do not understand that an illumination light is an aiming device - might be different if it also contains a laser, but that is different discussion??


I can see your point of view on this but if it’s dark out and I’m at home and I’ve got my gun out there’s a good chance I’ve got to shoot something, so I’ll take the weapon light over a headlamp. That’s just me though, this last year my neighbor had a grizzly, a cougar and a couple coyotes feet from his side door on separate occasions.

I’m at the top of my property away from the road, perimeter electric fenced, double gated and have three dogs. I’m not worried about people coming on the property, 100% of the time it’s predatory animals. Both neighbours have lost livestock to them, we have not but we lock animals up at night in the barn and coop.

I’ll take a light on my gun 100% of the time, it illuminates the iron sights as well as the critter I’m looking to shoot.
 
Butcher Bill - sounds like you have never been out in back yard in the dark after hearing your dog in a scrap with something - then turning around and finding your wife out there trying to "help" with a stick or something. As mentioned - too many years underground - people tell me it is dark down there - I wouldn't know - was always lighted where I was looking.

I am a little curious how your light "illuminates" your iron sights - that means your light is shining towards your sights. Most gun lights I have seen are mounted on the fore-arm, or underneath the double barrel - not shining on the sights at all.
 
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