30-06 for brown bears

I dumped a griz with my 30-06 shooting a handloaded 168gr TSX at near 2900fps. Not a big bear, it was a BC interior mountain griz at near 400lbs. Biologist aged him at around 12 years. My ex-CO buddy says that is the load he ever used for all the 'bear management' he had to do. Mind you, my guide gun is a 338WM!

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not sure that bear is 400 pounds ... but a nice bear.
 
I dumped a griz with my 30-06 shooting a handloaded 168gr TSX at near 2900fps. Not a big bear, it was a BC interior mountain griz at near 400lbs. Biologist aged him at around 12 years. My ex-CO buddy says that is the load he ever used for all the 'bear management' he had to do. Mind you, my guide gun is a 338WM!

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Very cool, and with a 30:06! Good shooting!!
 
Thanks! First shot squared his shoulders and he dropped hard. Thought he wouldn't get up but then he stirred so added a couple more to be sure.

Excellent! I like your practice to keep shooting if they are still moving. Long fur hides bullet holes nicely.
 
“Lies damn lies and statistics”

Bear maulings likely increase percentage wise depending on location, profession and time spent in bear country

I still ain’t scurred…

I heard Val Heist say the reason there aren't a lot more Grizzly attacks is that many of the people they come in contact with are armed, and have the confidence that brings and the bears pick up on that.
 
It all depends on where you live and if you come into contact with bears on a regular basis. You can’t use statistics for North America for lightning and bears to make comparisons. Most people in North America live in cities and will never see a bear or even be in their territory. A lot of people I know who live in the bush in bear country have had really close encounters, some serious or fatal. None have been struck by lightning. Your odds of a close encounter with bears is good if you are around them a lot. Most bears run away, but the odd one won’t. If you only hunt for a week a year in the fall, the odds a bad encounter are probably rare, unless you are successful and have a carcass to deal with.

In my house in the city I never see a bear. At my current rural principal residence they eat the choke cherries around the yard and the apples in it. Bear #### is a minor annoyance, as annoyances go. The dogs barking at them is more annoying. At my hunting cabin (bordering a National park) I consider the year a total loss if a bear doesn't stick his head in the window at least once while we are there. One ate my doorknob, and they do like flipping the barbeque over and eating quad seats and chewing gas and oil jugs. Hell, I even snare bears to thin them out a bit. Keeping a gun around is logical; but I'd do that anyways.

Bear "encounter" stories usually don't amount to much more than someone saying "Holy crap I saw a bear". It's probably a big deal to them though. ;)
 
One ate my doorknob

I had a doorknob chewer at my old place.

It was also knocking over an outdoor freezer, empty except for one goose that would not fit inside, left by the previous resident with a dented lid, wonder how that happened.

I figured it was a big or average bear standing up and pulling it down. Imagine my surprise when I ran out after hearing the freezer fall to see a veritable midget of a black bear running down the hill with a frozen goose about 1/3rd it’s size in its mouth. Maybe an orphaned cub? Guess it was crawling into the freezer and it would fall down once it got halfway inside. Funny stuff. Also ate a pint of Ben and jerries my girlfriend hid from me in there without damaging the carton at all, how I will never know.

Your dogs sound smarter than my neighbours, she chased a big boy eating choke cherries off the deck and it wasn’t feeling it and the tables turned, saw/heard me racking a shotgun and changed its mind mid slope. How’s a 20 gauge for black bears :dancingbanana:

That dog was great at bringing coyotes into shooting range off the deck though. They’ve probably taken it out by now


... that includes most of the bears shot in "self defense."

Add bears “ spray didn’t work on” that got spray shot in their general direction from 15 metres to the list


Famous tale of a bear monitor on a project I worked on shooting a black bear at 40 yards with a dart in his mouth because it stood up after winding him. Apparently it was “ threatening”, CO did not agree
 
Ya, they particularly like Gerry gas cans and oil jugs. I have had a few Gerry cans chewed and lost the gas. They also like pump hoses and anything rubber. Once a bear grabbed a case of beer I had chilling on the porch and took off down the trail with it. I did manage to follow the trail of beer cans and got most of it back.
 
I get a kick out of guys dealing with Black Bears that think they have much in common with Grizzlies, it's almost like they're different animals.
 
I get a kick out of guys dealing with Black Bears that think they have much in common with Grizzlies, it's almost like they're different animals.

Yes and no. Pounder used to say that black bears don't attack, they feed. If considering that doesn't give you pause it should. Amongst the 3 primary bear species we have in this country, problem bears tend to be sub adults. Thus a problem grizzly or polar bear might well be black bear size. The thing is that when considering suitable guns and cartridges for bear protection, one should keep in mind that defensive guns are normally used at close range.

Around here the go to gun for the majority of folks is a slug loaded 12 ga. A few of us have had carry permits where .357 and .44 magnums are generally preferred, so what rifle cartridge has similar terminal performance to a .357 handgun? The .30 Carbine comes to mind, yet few would advocate for the choice of an M-1 carbine as their primary bear gun. I once got into a discussion with a fellow on a bear defense thread who opined that an SKS was a dandy black bear gun. I'm a little embarrassed to say that I disagreed with his assessment, because properly loaded, it would be.

The key to bear defense with a firearm has a lot less to do with the gun and a lot more to do with the competence and coolness of the shooter. That doesn't mean that the choice of gun is irrelevant, since the circumstances of any potential bear conflict must be considered. For example I'm more inclined to use a shotgun near town and a rifle out on the coast, and I'm more inclined to use a scope sighted high velocity rifle if I'm bear guarding were numerous clients tend to be spread out over a wide area and an iron sighted rifle or one with a low power scope or even a shotgun if my people are nearby.

In the case of a rifle used for sheep hunting which might have to be used to defend you from a grizzly, a .30/06 is not just fine, its an excellent choice. I'd use a fragile flat shooting bullet like a 150 gr Ballistic Tip for the sheep, and have the magazine loaded with 180-200 gr Partitions. In a defensive shooting scenario, the shot will be taken before the bullet crosses the line of sight, so that fact that the rifle isn't sighted for the heavier bullet is of little concern.

In closing, I no longer like to make decisions based on chances. One day my wife and I were walking along a trail that paralleled the coast, and being low tide I suggested we cut across the tidal flats to an esker that would shorten our hike by a couple of miles. My wife replied that she didn't like the idea of busting through the thick willows that lay between us and the coast. I got a little annoyed at this and said, "That stand of willows is two mile long, what are the chances there will be a bear right where we cut through??!!" As it turned out, 100%
 
Holy crap you saw a bear.;)

His gaze intensifies as his grip tightens on his (scary black) shotgun, and he racks the slide with a satisfyingly loud metallic "chick-ching!" From 300 yards away, the savage beast looks up curiously before going back to grazing on new tender, green grass...
 
Even if grizzlies were 20 times more dangerous than blacks, there are are 20 times more blacks. From a risk perspective you break even.

And they are in areas of higher populations of oblivious multi-purpose land users... berry pickers, hikers, fishermen etc...
 
^ and young black bears regularly stalk people

A friend of mine got mauled by a black bear a few years ago, maybe he should have told it that it wasn’t an apex predator when it was munching on his skull
 
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