Grizzly Bear Defence rifle
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Yes it's a common phrase. But it implies a refusal to retreat -as in I'm going on my hike and if a bear gets in my way I'm going to shoot it, even if there's another option to deal with the situation. Maybe that's not what you meant, but that's the impression I get from "stand your ground". Hence why I said it's an interesting choice of words.
Thanks for clarifying, that's a fair interpretation. For the record, I would never risk a bear attack (myself or the bear being harmed) to continue my hike. If I bump into a grumpy bear, I turn around and go someplace else.
By "standing my ground" what I meant, specifically, was to not run away! lol.
Don't want to trigger predatory instincts.
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Thanks alpining, your recommendation is on point! I was talking with my dad yesterday and he recommends the new Marlin 45/70 produced by Ruger. He said I should go for the .444 calibre if I can find one.
I don't think I'll go for the Pedersoli. There isn't much information available for them, and I did find a few forums with people complaining about the action as well as feeding issues.
I appreciate the help I've received in this thread. When I do buy the rifle, I will absolutely follow up in this thread with pics and details. Thanks!!!
Yes. There are zillions of .30 Caliber military semi-auto rifles out there. Somehow, those rifles must be considered very reliable by the military. And they are.
Some semi-automatic sporting/hunting rifles in stout (up to .338 Winchester Magnum and 9.3mm Mauser) calibers can be very reliable too. They speak fast. Very fast. And they hit hard at conversational distances - during conversations with bears.
Peter at Rusty Wood Trading did the action work on my 1895GS and 20" barreled LSI Puma M92 in 454 Casull both rifles feed anything I put in them from the 550gr Craters to 405gr WLNGC's in the 454 Casull.
The M92 holds ten 45 Colt or nine 454 Casull this picture is what it gives me at 100 yards with 240gr XTP Mags @ 2350fps
A friend of ours shooting it
The M92 holds ten 45 Colt or nine 454 Casull this picture is what it gives me at 100 yards with 240gr XTP Mags @ 2350fps
A friend of ours shooting it
They are pretty sad to be honest. I fire off all of my expired ones and you get maybe 10 seconds worth of spray, out to maybe 15 feet or so. Once I was in Yellowstone and bought an American can. They hold quite a bit more spray than what we get up here. I never did test fire that one because I left it on my bumper while putting my pack in the truck. I forgot all about it and drove away
Chris.
Thanks alpining, your recommendation is on point! I was talking with my dad yesterday and he recommends the new Marlin 45/70 produced by Ruger. He said I should go for the .444 calibre if I can find one.
I don't think I'll go for the Pedersoli. There isn't much information available for them, and I did find a few forums with people complaining about the action as well as feeding issues.
I appreciate the help I've received in this thread. When I do buy the rifle, I will absolutely follow up in this thread with pics and details. Thanks!!!
You might have a hard time finding ammo and brass for that .444. I'd pick a .45-70 for that reason alone. You can get all sorts of bullet types for the .45-70 pretty easily too.
I've had a number of guide guns over the years, but now just have this one Marlin. It's an older XLR .45-70 cut down to guide gun length with XS sights. This XLR is smoother than any other 1895 I've owned and a better trigger. I like the pistol grip too.
Camp Cook, what range did you shoot that bear at? Was that with the 350gr bullets or the heavy cast ones?
thanks,
Chris.
If you are close enough to warrant actually killing a bear, your buckshot will not have spread enough to make any difference…..essentially rendering it a very poorly penetrating slug. Better off to use a quality hardened slug like a brenneke instead.
If you think that buckshot will have any affect on a large bear ..... maybe you want to have a look at this:
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1724640-Penetration-Test-II-Buckshot
And then have a look at the penetration test of the slugs ....
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1635960-Unofficial-12ga-Slug-Penetration-Comparison
For my many solo canoe expeditions in the Arctic Barrenlands, in Barrenground Grizzly country, I chose the 12 gauge pump shotgun with short "deer" barrel. I did alot of hiking on the barrens on these trips.
Yours truly showing carrying my shotgun:
Shotgun: Remington 870 Wingmaster 12ga.
Barrel: Remington's deer barrel, smooth bore with Remchoke system. Remchoke used is the smooth bore because of the multi-ammo selection I use: Rifled slugs, SSG, cracker shells, and rubber slugs. (Should I want to change the system to using just slugs, I would install the rifled Remchoke and use sabot slugs).
Sling: Sporting goods leather sling, nothing special. Front swivel is an Uncle Mike's adapter for the magazine screw cap. Rear swivel I installed in the usual bottom of the buttstock position. However this does dig into my back, so one of these days I need to install a flush cup QD swivel mount on the side of the buttstock, which should improve the carry comfort by flattening how the shotgun sits on my back. I also plan one day to upgrade the sling to a more adjustable model for different carry options.
Note also the bear spray on my right hip. In my pocket I have pen launch bear bangers.
This is the transport setup:
The camo inner case is a floating shotgun case, but it is not waterproof. In the canoe that case goes into the Kolpin dry bag case. In camp the shotgun is always out of the cases. The uncased gun goes into the tent with me for sleeping.
Ammo sleeve on the buttstock for reloads if I need them, but also for a selection of slugs, SSG, crackers and rubber slugs. The white hull round is a rubber slug. In my later trips I culled out the cracker shells because I use pen launched bear bangers.
IMO the 12 gauge pump shotgun with a relative short deer barrel is a versatile and reliable bear self defense system. This old 870 (1970's vintage) action is very smooth and reliable.
In the Barrens one is literally surrounded by grizzlies, although at low densities.
The photo above (location: Contwoyto Lake, Burnside River, Nunavut), shows a typical griz excavation of Sik-sik (Arctic ground squirrel) burrows. This was near my campsite.
This one below is a relatively fresh griz excavation of sik-sik burrow beside my campsite. As you can see the clods of turf have been peeled back not too long ago. In the Barrens Griz are all over the place. One has to learn how to stop worrying in order to sleep at night, inside the tent where you cannot see anything,....but you sleep with both ears open!
My Barrens solo trip durations are typically 30-45 days, and griz sightings happen every trip. Its been a while since I have been on the Barrens. I really miss it.
Yours truly showing carrying my shotgun:
Shotgun: Remington 870 Wingmaster 12ga.
Barrel: Remington's deer barrel, smooth bore with Remchoke system. Remchoke used is the smooth bore because of the multi-ammo selection I use: Rifled slugs, SSG, cracker shells, and rubber slugs. (Should I want to change the system to using just slugs, I would install the rifled Remchoke and use sabot slugs).
Sling: Sporting goods leather sling, nothing special. Front swivel is an Uncle Mike's adapter for the magazine screw cap. Rear swivel I installed in the usual bottom of the buttstock position. However this does dig into my back, so one of these days I need to install a flush cup QD swivel mount on the side of the buttstock, which should improve the carry comfort by flattening how the shotgun sits on my back. I also plan one day to upgrade the sling to a more adjustable model for different carry options.
Note also the bear spray on my right hip. In my pocket I have pen launch bear bangers.
This is the transport setup:
The camo inner case is a floating shotgun case, but it is not waterproof. In the canoe that case goes into the Kolpin dry bag case. In camp the shotgun is always out of the cases. The uncased gun goes into the tent with me for sleeping.
Ammo sleeve on the buttstock for reloads if I need them, but also for a selection of slugs, SSG, crackers and rubber slugs. The white hull round is a rubber slug. In my later trips I culled out the cracker shells because I use pen launched bear bangers.
IMO the 12 gauge pump shotgun with a relative short deer barrel is a versatile and reliable bear self defense system. This old 870 (1970's vintage) action is very smooth and reliable.
In the Barrens one is literally surrounded by grizzlies, although at low densities.
The photo above (location: Contwoyto Lake, Burnside River, Nunavut), shows a typical griz excavation of Sik-sik (Arctic ground squirrel) burrows. This was near my campsite.
This one below is a relatively fresh griz excavation of sik-sik burrow beside my campsite. As you can see the clods of turf have been peeled back not too long ago. In the Barrens Griz are all over the place. One has to learn how to stop worrying in order to sleep at night, inside the tent where you cannot see anything,....but you sleep with both ears open!
My Barrens solo trip durations are typically 30-45 days, and griz sightings happen every trip. Its been a while since I have been on the Barrens. I really miss it.
I did change out the choke tube from modified to cylinder.
