Poll: How long should you have to wait for match results?

[ckc123]

I wanted to see people's opinion on who long they think is an acceptable time to wait for Match results, and if there should be a "direction" given my IPSC on the maximum wait for for results on a sanctioned match (Eg results must be posted within XX days etc.)

what do people think?

 

[Forty4Forty]

I wanted to see people's opinion on who long they think is an acceptable time to wait for Match results, and if there should be a "direction" given my IPSC on the maximum wait for for results on a sanctioned match (Eg results must be posted within XX days etc.)

what do people think?

Clarification, are you doing the results, or is some one volunteering and trying to find time in the daily life to get them done, or is there a paid person doing these, as I think this may determine the time, allowed.

 

[ckc123]

Clarification, are you doing the results, or is some one volunteering and trying to find time in the daily life to get them done, or is there a paid person doing these, as I think this may determine the time, allowed.

Does it matter?? I'd ask back.. why can't the MD delegate and get someone who can do it within the time frame, if they can't do it themselves.?

Where there is a will, there is always a way, the question is what should be a reasonable time frame?

 

[maurice]

the most I think I have ever waited was approx. 8 days...in Canada.
After I attended the Aware Vermont match with some NB shooters, we attended a Level2 (L1 by our standards for round count =48rds), in Maine. I think we waited over 6 weeks.....for the Maine match, but the results for the Vermont match were updated daily! I am not going to critique anyone as the work and time to put on a local match is appreciated. I find locally the results are quite speedy!

 

[hungrybeagle]

Are you serious? I think that it's unacceptable for the stats to NOT be completed on the same day.

Posting them to the web is another issue, especially if you have to send the stats to someone else and wait to have them post it. More people obviously means longer wait time.

However, if you want to bugger off from the range before the match is over and results are posted on the wall, well, then as far as I'm concerned, you can wait for as long as you need to...

 

[Madness]

Shooters pay for a service when they pay to shoot a match, the service being the match itself and part of the match is the results. So if you don't want to put the effort into getting results out quickly then why put on the match. You wouldn't hold a match if you didn't have RO's you could count on so why would you do it without a good states crew?
On the other hand it's not always the match staff that slows things down, we have a speed bump in Ontario for results, they need to be sent to a third party before being posted online. So even though the stats person did a great job and had the results finished and e-mail'd 30 min after the last shot of a sunday match, they may not get posted untill Monday or Tuesday.
What we need is a self serve section on the IPSC-ONT site where the we can upload the stats directly ourselves.
before anyone starts #####ing about the start of my post, I've setup, worked and worked on the states for a fair amount of matches and practice what I preach, so I'm not just ####ting out my mouth like most people on here tend to do.

 

[stormbringer]

I think that if you are not helping run matches yourself.........

You have no opinion worth hearing...

Results should be posted as fast as those running the match see fit.

Would I like them nanoseconds after I am finished shooting???? You bet..

Do I think that I have some god given RIGHT to seem them?

Nope..........

This sport is run by volunteers...........they do things as well as they are able too. If it is running slow..........the only solution is to offer to step up and help.

(note the above is not directed at any particular poster above....as many/most do help at matches...........It is just my opinion.)

 

[ckc123]

I think that if you are not helping run matches yourself.........

You have no opinion worth hearing...

Results should be posted as fast as those running the match see fit.

Why not.. does the fact that I have paid for a service, not entitle me to have an opinion on it..

It has to be with running a match in a professional mannor, and if it's not, then why are people's opinion not wanted??

BTW: The match may be run by "volenteers" but IMO you get into a whole different ball game when you start to charge people for a service. you can't have it both ways. if you wanted it treated like a "free" service, and take your time, then don't charge for it. (or at least make the $$ representable for the actual costs)


if we are going to place rules, upon rules, to create a professional sport as we can, should we not be striving to extend that conduct all the way to the end of the match, and declaring the "Winner".. can you honestly say that havinf to wait 3-4 weeks to get a result is acceptable? (I'm not pointing to a specific club/match, but I have seen results take that long to get released from the club)

If we are going to "sanction" a match by the governing body, should they not also be making sure the MD (or his delegated individual) get results out on a timely manner.

 

[pmt]

I wanted to see people's opinion on who long they think is an acceptable time to wait for Match results, and if there should be a "direction" given my IPSC on the maximum wait for for results on a sanctioned match (Eg results must be posted within XX days etc.)

what do people think?

Are you still looking for the Team Results from the Nationals too?? Be patient, it was only 5 months ago.

 

[Walter Hornby]

are we talking match results at the match or match results on the web? if on the web then a week is not unreasonable. people do have lives outside of IPSC and some days it just takes that long to get to it. in most cases it is not a 5 minute job either. while not a web expert by any means i do leave with a geekess. i know some days things just don't go as planned.

 

[bersmith]

return time

I know when we started ODPL here in Ontario, we set it out in the rules that results must be posted within 5 days after the shoot. This I believe is reasonable, considering we all have day jobs. We usually get them up withing 3 days of the match however 5 days gives us the match directors and staff time to put them up.

 

[Rudy H]

Wow are there a bunch of whiners here. If you want results fast then why don't you volunteer and do it.

Why not.. does the fact that I have paid for a service, not entitle me to have an opinion on it..

I don't know how much you paid for that "service" but most of the money goes to targets and range fees/rentals. If you were paying for a service then that would mean that those who are running the match are getting paid. If that were the case (and its not) then the cost would be two or three time more than you are paying now.

 

[stormbringer]

Ok CK123...

You win.........

The next EESA results will be up 10.4 nanoseconds after the match is finished..

Oh btw.......all future matches are canceled.......

Feel better??



BTW........It is my opinion that matches are held as a SERVICE........not a paid service but a FAVOUR to the shooters out there.

Hell I can have as much or more fun setting up simple stages for me, my kids and a few buddies.......

But nooooooo....instead I take DAYS off work.......slave my ass off. Sometimes do not even get to shoot at all. For what? FAME? Glamour?? Nope........

Yes indeed sure makes one want to keep hosting matches.

 

[ENSHOOTER]

I think that if you are not helping run matches yourself.........

You have no opinion worth hearing...

Results should be posted as fast as those running the match see fit.

Would I like them nanoseconds after I am finished shooting???? You bet..

Do I think that I have some god given RIGHT to seem them?

Nope..........

This sport is run by volunteers...........they do things as well as they are able too. If it is running slow..........the only solution is to offer to step up and help.

(note the above is not directed at any particular poster above....as many/most do help at matches...........It is just my opinion.)

Hit the Nail on head agian!!!!! Dig in or stop flapping!!

 

[stormbringer]

Oh as far as it being BIG MONEY MAKERS.......

Put it this way.......

If the EESA crew had NOT hosted the Drama Daze match but worked their jobs instead.....and then donated their wages to the school/club.

THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE MONEY DONATED!

We would not have blow away vacation time...

We would not have had to close the ranges....



Hell we could have shot a few rounds ourselves...had a BBQ and still been ahead!


Personally however.........I like the camraderie of hosting a match. Working hard with good people (even BMW) and putting on a match to the best of my abilty..... I know pathetic isnt it!

(BTW>...........yes this has struck a nerve)

 

[JB]

 

[ckc123]

BTW........It is my opinion that matches are held as a SERVICE........not a paid service but a FAVOUR to the shooters out there.

Ah.. so I have to pay for the honour of shooting at your club, and for you to charge me.. Thanks..

BTW: if I can run a monthly league at $5 a match, and at the end we have a pot of money to spend back on the club, then I wonder how someone one who actually makes money at a match can call it a favour to the others..

The fact is that as a MD, how you run your match, for the volenteer, and the cost is your responsibility, and if YOU CHOOSE to use volenteers, then it does not prevent you from doing your responsibilities to the match.. if you can't get a volenteer to do it in a timly manor, then find another one, or pay someone. I'm sure you have an extra $20 can you could pay someone and they would do it..

As for the delays "on the web" I don't that the issue.. I've had a few conversations with Bud and he does get them up with 24 hours of getting them via email.. so the vast majority of the delays are the clubs not getting the results to Bud.. I don't see the current way and being a problem..

So. can you honestly say that having to wait 3+ weeks for a match results is acceptable, and that I don't have a right to say anything?

 

[stormbringer]

Ah.. so I have to pay for the honour of shooting at your club, and for you to charge me.. Thanks..

?

Oh not not at all........

Feel free to stay away from future matches if it cramps your style.

A league night is a FAR CRY from a L3 or even L2 match! BTW...who works for $20 a day??

 

[Gothmog]

Hey CK123, offer to help by posting scores, or in some other way that will help move things along.

With respect, I think you (like many others nowadays ... I think its our current commercially oriented mindset) have the wrong idea about holding events. Its not a 'fee for service' structure IMO, but rather cost sharing (and sometimes fund raising) by a group of volunteers who would like to see an event take place. You know, for the fun of it ...

In sum, asking to be part of the solution is superior to #####ing and whining on a public forum. Your issue might actually get resolved that way.

 

[ckc123]

Hey CK123, offer to help by posting scores, or in some other way that will help move things along.
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you know what.. I've spent more time in the past year with regards to score posting them i'm sure you ever have (and you can probably add the time spent by any other poster in this thread as well). Go check out the site (see my sig) I've created for checking YOUR OWN SCORES. Seeing your stats, and analysis of if from the 2007 and 2006 seasons.. I've spent hundreds of my own hours to create a system that I was not paid for, was never asked to do, nor ever asked for recognition for. you want to talk about actually giveing back time and hours.. I've put more time into it then you have.. so back off the comments about helping out.. Also.. you want to know what I've done behinds the scenes.. I've given IPSC ontario a program so the MD can automatically upload the current matches to the ipsc ontario web site. it's not been implemented, buy again i've put in hours of work to improve the current site, and not said a word. you think that doesn't entitle me to give my opinion.. if you dont' that then I don't really give a rats ass what you think.. before you call someone out, then you should know what the @$#@ you are talking about..