PCMR Ammo
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WW2 S.A. Ball ammo with D.C.Co. .30 SPG. headstamp with odd Richardson primers (Creighton Elliott Richardson worked for CIL). Non-corrosive.
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Model 1917's issued by the Cdn Military had a corresponding red band painted on the forearm. Purpose was to avoid confusion with 303 Br . My uncle was trained on one for airfield defense at Terrace BC. He was a fitter with 135 (F) squadron. They were equipped with P 40 Kitty Hawks at that time.
At the beginning of WW2 Canada purchased 80,000 US Army Rifle, Model of 1917. These were for use in Canada. They were used by the Veterans Guard who guarded POW Camps, the PCMR, issued to guards at Defence factories all over Canada, Air Bases etc. .30 Cal ammo was manufactured in Canada due to the fact that after Dec 1941, getting war material from the US was more difficult.
I have a partial box that is all that's left over from an old Remington marked crate of 1120 rounds, that I believe was issued to the PCMRs.
I've owned half a dozen Mod 94s with the Canadian Broad Arrow in a C, stamped on the receiver and butt stock.
A couple of them came out of estates, with bills of sale, when they were sold out of service, to the people they were issued to.
The case of ammo came with one of those rifles and I was told they were given to the fellow when he left. He was stationed with the CP Rail group at the time and when the war was over they just tossed out everything that didn't get returned to their Depot.
I guess this crate of ammo was mistaken for trash???
The boxes are all plain, gray pressboard, with red logo. The boxes are capped, rather than folded closed, with 20 compartments.
The logo is kept to a minimum.
On the top of the cap:
.30-.30 WINCHESTER
20 Central Fire Smokeless Cartridges
REMINGTON ARMS COMPANY Inc.
Ammunition - BRIDGEPORT, CONN.
FIREARMS - ILION, N.Y.
MADE IN USA
On the side panel of the cap:
In a red border, all the way around is a Remington trademark red ink circle appx 1/2 across on the left corner
KLEANBORE printed in red
right corner in red letters, Trademark Reg
US Pat. Off and Other Countries
Marca Reg
Marque Depesse
160 GRS. METAL CASED BULLET
The cartridge box itself, only has a lot # stamp on it D04N67
The cartridges are brass, boxer primed, loaded with an extruded powder and a 160 grn round nose FMJ bullet.
The headstamp is REM-UMC 30-30
This partial (15 rounds) is all I have left of that crate.
I didn't shoot any of it. I gave it to the fellows that bought the rifles from me.
All of them were PCMR collectors and were sincerely very happy to get the ammo.
I've owned half a dozen Mod 94s with the Canadian Broad Arrow in a C, stamped on the receiver and butt stock.
A couple of them came out of estates, with bills of sale, when they were sold out of service, to the people they were issued to.
The case of ammo came with one of those rifles and I was told they were given to the fellow when he left. He was stationed with the CP Rail group at the time and when the war was over they just tossed out everything that didn't get returned to their Depot.
I guess this crate of ammo was mistaken for trash???
The boxes are all plain, gray pressboard, with red logo. The boxes are capped, rather than folded closed, with 20 compartments.
The logo is kept to a minimum.
On the top of the cap:
.30-.30 WINCHESTER
20 Central Fire Smokeless Cartridges
REMINGTON ARMS COMPANY Inc.
Ammunition - BRIDGEPORT, CONN.
FIREARMS - ILION, N.Y.
MADE IN USA
On the side panel of the cap:
In a red border, all the way around is a Remington trademark red ink circle appx 1/2 across on the left corner
KLEANBORE printed in red
right corner in red letters, Trademark Reg
US Pat. Off and Other Countries
Marca Reg
Marque Depesse
160 GRS. METAL CASED BULLET
The cartridge box itself, only has a lot # stamp on it D04N67
The cartridges are brass, boxer primed, loaded with an extruded powder and a 160 grn round nose FMJ bullet.
The headstamp is REM-UMC 30-30
This partial (15 rounds) is all I have left of that crate.
I didn't shoot any of it. I gave it to the fellows that bought the rifles from me.
All of them were PCMR collectors and were sincerely very happy to get the ammo.
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The ammo, like explosives, could probably not be returned. Once explosives have been signed for they must be used, as they are considered consumable - the Brits had the same rule, probably still do. It's safer and easier to have only full case quantities on hand in a stores depot, saves time on inventory too.
My father was issued 2 20 round boxes, and a Model 94 Win. When he returned the 40 empties, he received another 40 rounds. Was offered the rifle for $5 in 1944. The logging camp( McMillan/ Stewart) had 1 Bren gun, foremen were issued Mk.ii Stens.
That’s interesting, I knew the PCMR guys had Sten guns , didn’t know they were issued Bren guns
Bren gun was issued to defend the entrance to Nitnat Lake on Vancouver Island. Boys .55 cal anti-tank guns were also issued to some locales.
