Re-Blueing reduce the value?

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I have an old BSA Model 8 Martini Block in .22LR that has seen better days. It shoots as straight as an arrow, but the barrel and action are very rusty (a little bit of pitting as well), the wood stock needs some refinishing but the bore is beautiful.

My questions are, first, since this actually has the copper mark on the stock that shows it has seen military service (probably as a trainer), would rebluing this gun reduce any type of collector value it has?

Secondly, I do work with metal as a career, but I have never worked on any type of gun finishing before .. so would u recommend me to do an at home cold bluing or save up and get it done at a gun smith?

Thanks for the info.
 
In general, collectors are only interested in firearms (except for really old/rare ones) that are in very good plus or better, original condition. Therefore, if a gun is in the condition you describe, it has little or no "collector" value.

It then becomes a personal decision; if you want the gun to look better, make it so.

If you are experienced at working with metal, the finish that can be achieved with cold (instant) blue is unlikely to satisfy.

Just my opinion, of course.

Bob
 
I think it would affect the value if the rifle was pristine and only had a bit of the blueing worn off, but since you mentioned it is already in rough shape I dont think it would make a big difference, I dont know of the historical value of this rifle and that could change things a bit. IMHO
 
The value of this gun is in the fact that it is a shooter and a very good one, people are always looking for these to convert to centerfire varmint rifle..ie:.218bee, .22K Hornet, etc. the striker fired action has good lock time, and strength far greater then what is required for the .22LR. In good condition the value is around $350.00, yours maybe less but I don't think sprucing it up and bluing would hurt the value.
 
Reblueing a gun doesn't always decrease the value. If the gun is well worn in the first place it can enhance value or at least make it a break-even prospect.

In the U.K. there is a more tolerant attitude toward refinishing/refurbing. It's not as looked down upon as it is among North American collectors.
 
Slushee...you ask a very good question and hopefully I can help out a little. Remember you get what you pay for and this is free advice!

The answer depends on 3 factors - the origin of the gun, the provenence of the gun, and the quality of the refurbishment. The latter point is obvious. The work should be done with original techniques (ie rust blueing if the original was rust blued, oil or varnish as appropriate, etc.) and to an equel or better standard of workmanship) Bubba anything, even a Norinco, and its value will go down.

The origin part is a little more subtle. High grade English guns were intended to be maintained, including re-blueing and re-finishing. This is why the wood was always left a little proud of the metal - to allow for subsequent light sanding and finishing. It is also why finishes were used that could be easily worked on. In other words, refinishing an English (and by extension European) gun should not detract from its value provided the work is done to a high standard. Careful polishing to preserve engraving, screw holes, edges etc. Blueing performed with the original techniques, checkering re-cut in the original style (flat topped, etc), and original type of wood finish utilised. "Strip, clean, oil and black" in the trade speak. Notice, no buffing wheels, cold blues from Cambodian Tire, epoxy spray cans of glossy varnish, etc.

The other exception to this general principle is providenc. If I had Theodore Rosevelt's Holland and Holland double rifle, I think that I would leave his rusty fingerprints etc intact.

American guns in general, and Winchesters in particular, are the complete opposite. People will pay more for a rusty gun (patina is the collectors term I believe) with a tiny area of original finish remaining than a professionally refinished example that is better than new. I really can't understand it, but without a doubt, this is the case. Perhaps it is because their sense of history is so young compared to Europe, that they subconsiously cling to any shred of it, who knows.

I have a great many collectable guns, some American, most English. I leave the American ones alone, save for cleaning and maintaining them. I build my collection by buying fine English or European ones that are in need of refurbishment (including re-stocking and parts replacement) at a good price and enjoy the hobby and satisfaction of doing the work.

Re: your Martini. They are sought after by collectors primarily because of their reputation for accuracy. I have 2, one, a Greener, that shoots five shot groups into 1/2" at 100 yards. Their value is not greatly tied to their condition but to the value of their actions. You won't increase the value greatly by refurbishing it (certainly not as much as the cost to refurbish it) but you will increase the pleasure of ownership. It sounds like it might make sense for you to do the many hours of hand polishing and draw filing and then send it out for a final polish and reblue by a professional. Drop me an email if I can be of any more help.
 
Sportingrifle.

For free advice, there are some very good points you raise.
A well thought out post, thanks!
 
Yeah, good post!

Never ceases to amaze me, though, that guys want like the price of a really nice collectible piece, for something that looks like it was just recovered from where it fell into the outhouse some fifty or more years ago. If the gun had some rock solid provenance, perhaps, like maybe Custer hisself dropped it there, and planned to fetch it out after dealing with a couple pesky Indians ...but most of them are just parts donors for something nicer. If even.

Unless there is some really strong reason not to, refinish it, it'll be worth more as a good looking, properly functioning firearm, than it ever will be worth as a discreditable looking poor condition piece.

Good looking, quality work is always going to be good looking quality work. Beat-up it just beat-up, unless there is a reason for it to stay that way. There seems no shortage of good original BSA Martini's about, so I would venture that you will not be doing "History" any serious injuries by cleaning this one up.
If you are not interested in learning how to do rust bluing yourself, you would probably be better off sending it off to someone that can do it and do a nice job of it.

See the persons work first, though, and shop reputation rather than just price. I have seen some truly horrific polish and hot-blue jobs done to guns that SHOULD have been left alone.

In My Opinion, in any case!

Cheers
Trev
 
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