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The Turd needs our military to quell any peaceful protests that disagree with him.
Canadian military will wait until 2023 for new pistols, says latest gov't update
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The Turd needs our military to quell any peaceful protests that disagree with him.
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yes
My last 2 rotos I only had a pistol.
not a single rifle in the task force.
Rifles would have been a hinderance to what we were doing.
so again yes we need pistols.
Cameron SS
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The magazine safety on the Browning HP was intended to increase the safety record of the pistol, but was one of the leading causes of negligent discharges with the service pistol.
I imagine the 'safety nazis' are simply experienced operators who expect that the CAF will continue to severely neglect adequately training personnel and see the dry-fire-prior-to-disassembly feature as a serious safety risk.
Having witnessed more than a few NDs with the Browning HP, I'm inclined to agree. This would not be the case if CAF took pistols seriously and committed to robust training and annual refresher training, and/or stopped issuing pistols to certain trades and positions that have no business carrying them.
Let me state for the record that Glock is a perfectly safe pistol design, objectively speaking, and is one of several pistols that would certainly be a good enough choice.
I don't know if Glock makes a model that does not require pulling the trigger in order to disassemble. From what I understand the bigger point of contention was the requirement for a completely removeable Fire Control Unit, which to me, makes absolutely no sense.
Cameron SS
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Not sure if this is serious or not. The pistols CAF has now are nearing a hundred years old in design and more than 70 years old since manufacture, and the whole point is that they are not going strong.
Yes, there are 100 year old firearms that are still doing well. There are 200 and 300 year old cap and ball revolvers and flintlock pistols that still function as intended, but is that the point? Modern militaries don't do well with antiquated equipment, regardless of whether it is still functioning as originally intended.
The current pistols are decades past their service life. They are an antiquated design. They are worn out past their service life and there aren't enough of them to meet CAF's operational requirements. CAF needs a new pistol. They might as well buy something new.
Buying new pistols is not a waste of tax payers money and comparatively speaking its not even a large sum of money.
The waste of Taxpayers money comes from incompetent procurement officials, lack of government leadership and political interference via the Munitions Supply Program that makes buying these pistols far more difficult and contentious than it should have been.
Cameron SS
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I have no idea how you would get that suggestion from my post.
The modular requirement was just about tailored for the SIG 320.
The ability to use grip units which could be interchanged for different users appears to be attractive. Pistol shooting is challenging enough without having to struggle with a pistol that just doesn't fit.
The buttstocks of Canadian service rifles have been available in different lengths for over a century.
There are a number of modern service pistols available, most any of which would be satisfactory.
It is the selection process that has been floundering.
The ability to use grip units which could be interchanged for different users appears to be attractive. Pistol shooting is challenging enough without having to struggle with a pistol that just doesn't fit.
The buttstocks of Canadian service rifles have been available in different lengths for over a century.
There are a number of modern service pistols available, most any of which would be satisfactory.
It is the selection process that has been floundering.
The catch is that the manufacturer has to be prepared to supply the technical data package. They wouldn't just be selling pistols - they are also selling manufacturing rights.
A purchase of 14000 Glock Gen 5 Model 17s or SIG 320s is one thing. A complete package deal with pistols, data package, support, etc. is quite another.
A purchase of 14000 Glock Gen 5 Model 17s or SIG 320s is one thing. A complete package deal with pistols, data package, support, etc. is quite another.
The very fact that Procurement or DND would allow something like that just goes to show you how "out of touch" the whole system is. They need a "purging" from the "top down" and start listening to "real" soldiers and what other MORDEN armies are doing. Nuff said.
Read the tender. It is for delivery of pistols. Not domestic manufacture.
It is for delivery of pistols and holsters, and in the future, extra slides that are milled to allow optics. Also, threaded barrels that will allow the use of silencers and suitable height sights.
It is for delivery of pistols and holsters, and in the future, extra slides that are milled to allow optics. Also, threaded barrels that will allow the use of silencers and suitable height sights.
It's Canada. Doesn't matter what the tender says, all that matters is can they make it in QC and how much can the politicians steal. - dan
What makes you think he bought them? Check the stores facilities and I think you'll find they're empty and there's no hope of resupply this year, or next.
First procurement? Of course they will require province and skimming money. It's the Libs, they are all thieves. - dan
