M70 featherwieght botched price check

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So i just came back from my gunsmiths , while i was there he shows me this m70 looks like new . Except buddy thought hed save a buck & have his local plumber drill & tapp for open sights. The guy brings it in to mount a new scope but my smith notices there is a screw protrudeing through the bbl . Front sight could be trimed down . Now its for sale guy wants 350-400 had an offer of 75 to date . what shoud i offer ?
 
Offer what it's worth to you as a project that needs a barrel. A bare receiver is worth a couple hundred, if it's clean, the stock is worth something, too.

Where is the screw coming through? Rear sight? Boogered! Front sight? Recoverable.

A pre '64 action alone is going to cost you what he is asking. A classic, less, a push feed, still a bit less, I think.

If you want it, I suppose the best thing to do is figure out what it's worth to you and make an offer.

Couple hundred would probably shake it loose, but the guy may be looking at what it'll cost him to get another barrel dropped onto it, too.

Good luck. Sorry, not much help.

Cheers
Trev
 
Offer what it's worth to you as a project that needs a barrel. A bare receiver is worth a couple hundred, if it's clean, the stock is worth something, too.

Where is the screw coming through? Rear sight? Boogered! Front sight? Recoverable.

A pre '64 action alone is going to cost you what he is asking. A classic, less, a push feed, still a bit less, I think.

If you want it, I suppose the best thing to do is figure out what it's worth to you and make an offer.

Couple hundred would probably shake it loose, but the guy may be looking at what it'll cost him to get another barrel dropped onto it, too.

Good luck. Sorry, not much help.

Cheers
Trev

Front sight definatly Recoverable , pre 64 & guy was looking into complete bbl swap.
 
Front sight definatly Recoverable , pre 64 & guy was looking into complete bbl swap.

It's probably worth what he's asking, then.

There are a few take-of barrels available, for the patient or the lucky, and the cost of an install and headspace, or possibly a setback and rechamber, wouldn't kill anyones lunch budget for long. Less than that to bob and recrown, as well as doing a proper job to install the sight again.

Then there are the custom barrel guys that'll put as good as can be got, on, for say a $600 budget or so. Maybe more, maybe less, but I was quoted around that by a Canadian Barrel maker.

Cheers
Trev
 
why swap the barrel?:eek:
if the problem is just a protruding screw in the front sight, just chop the last couple inches off and recrown, should be less than $100.
depending on the caliber and barrel length, of course. if its already a short barrel, or a magnum, barrel replacement might be a better idea. but if its the usual 22" barrel, chopping 1.5-2" isnt going to hurt anything. hell, it might make it even more accurate with a little stiffer barrel and new crown.

so if you offer him $200-250, and he takes it, you can get it cut and recrowned and have it out the door for around $300-350.

the only thing that makes me suspicious about it all is that the gunsmith hasnt already offered to do this, or bought it for himself. they dont pass up really good deals like this, especially if a half hour in the shop can make them several hundred dollars. look it over really well - there may be something else wrong with it. ie: if the screw is protruding into the barrel maybe it was fired like that and the barrel is severely damaged and needs to be replaced?
if you buy it in a nonfiring condition like that and later on find some other problem, or the barrel is #%@$ed, you wont be able to bring it back. the answer will be 'well, you knew it was bubba'd when you bought it'.

Lucky he didn't shoot it with the bbl part block by that screw.
how do we know this? depending on how much is protruding the barrel might not catastrophically split apart from it being fired, the damage could be more subtle. what makes me suspect that something else might be wrong is that if it were just a matter of drilling the front sight too far into the barrel, an honest gunsmith would have just recommended the cheap cut/crown, and a dishonest one would have bought it/traded it in from the guy for peanuts and did it himself. that fact that neither happened is a bit suspicious. if its such a great deal why doesnt the gunsmith take it? yes i know that theyre usually limited in time, but its getting into the slow season now and they dont just let amazing deals slip through their fingers.
 
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The thing is a pig in a poke. Better assume that its going to need a new barrel. If bubba drilled right through for one screw, do you suppose the others are in line?
Now, if the screw isn't projecting into the bore, is there any reason it would hurt accuracy any more than a gas port?
Take-off barrels do turn up. Why were they taken off? Another pig in a poke. You won't find out if one is a shooter until you've had it fitted.
I fit my own barrels, so the cost would be limited to $350 or so for a brand new barrel, plus my time. I wouldn't want to pay $750 plus my time for a rebarrelled M70.
I would not pay more than $200 - $250 for the rifle as-is.
 
why swap the barrel?:eek:
if the problem is just a protruding screw in the front sight, just chop the last couple inches off and recrown, should be less than $100.
depending on the caliber and barrel length, of course. if its already a short barrel, or a magnum, barrel replacement might be a better idea. but if its the usual 22" barrel, chopping 1.5-2" isnt going to hurt anything. hell, it might make it even more accurate with a little stiffer barrel and new crown.

so if you offer him $200-250, and he takes it, you can get it cut and recrowned and have it out the door for around $300-350.

the only thing that makes me suspicious about it all is that the gunsmith hasnt already offered to do this, or bought it for himself. they dont pass up really good deals like this, especially if a half hour in the shop can make them several hundred dollars. look it over really well - there may be something else wrong with it. ie: if the screw is protruding into the barrel maybe it was fired like that and the barrel is severely damaged and needs to be replaced?
if you buy it in a nonfiring condition like that and later on find some other problem, or the barrel is #%@$ed, you wont be able to bring it back. the answer will be 'well, you knew it was bubba'd when you bought it'.


how do we know this? depending on how much is protruding the barrel might not catastrophically split apart from it being fired, the damage could be more subtle. what makes me suspect that something else might be wrong is that if it were just a matter of drilling the front sight too far into the barrel, an honest gunsmith would have just recommended the cheap cut/crown, and a dishonest one would have bought it/traded it in from the guy for peanuts and did it himself. that fact that neither happened is a bit suspicious. if its such a great deal why doesnt the gunsmith take it? yes i know that theyre usually limited in time, but its getting into the slow season now and they dont just let amazing deals slip through their fingers.

Cut & crown is what im thinking . It had not been fierd , & my gunsmith is along in years & has had unfortunate health problems in the last little while . Mainly cancer & heart trouble . Iv delt with him for years & youd be hard pressed to find many men as honest as him . Hes definatly not trying to dupe anyone.
 
then go for it, if thats all thats needed there is no need to even consider a barrel replacement. going from 22" to 20" is no big deal and smiths charge 75-100 for a cut/crown..

if you are out the door at ~$350 with a ~20" barreled pre-64 M70 thats a screaming deal.
 
Ill try him at 150 see what he says , no harm in starting low worst he can say is no . Another thing is if its cut down to 19 -20 in will it drasticly affect the velocity its chambered in 270 win ?
 
no, you only have to worry about severe performance loss with magnums or if you are going to very short barrels (ie: <16").

youll lose ~25fps per inch. so 2 inches will lose you ~50fps, and may gain a touch of accuracy due to the slightly stiffer barrel and fresh crown, if its done right.
 
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