My pain is your gain...[XCR folder review added]

I kinda want one, But Like Bryce said Figure out how to pay for it...

Right now I owe the Government 1400$ in taxes, Also other bills, I just cannot justify buying one :(

So how are we to gain from your recent purchase ?
I cruized the EE , your name never came up .

Ponts was selling it, It was like 3-4th gun down from the front page of the BR EE, Probably gone now...
 
I did an incredibly stupid thing today.

I'm in Calgary with time to kill so I swung by The Shooting Edge. Much to my excitement they had an XCR on the rack. I played around with it for about 10 minutes, my first time handling the rifle. I checked out all the features and ergonomics of this nifty rifle. I then asked they guy if I could pop it open to check out the internals. I guess they don't let window shoppers do this.

So I bought it.

I think I'll put a folding stock on it tomorrow. Then I'll figure out how I'm going to pay for this. :redface:

Armedsask,

I think that was me who told you that you could crack it open (I was there on Monday). I thought it was funny, I walked in there with a buddy to check out some sigs for him and ended up selling a guy (you) on an XCR and my buddy on a Sig P226. I wasn't even working that day!
 
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Time for a mini review. I haven't shot it yet but we had it all apart in the shop today and looked it over.

From a manufacturing stand point, I'm very unimpressed. The machining and general construction is alright, but not worth $2300. The ejector plate thing makes me cringe. The floppy and loose charging handle is also unimpressive. The bolt catch you can reach with your trigger finger is a great feature but it is sloppy and loose. Basically, they cheaped out on quality to get the rifles banged out as fast as they could for as cheap as they could. So many screws on this thing just waiting to loosen up and fall out.

The Rodbarm folding mechanism is a flaming pile of ####. It's like they started designing a folding mech and then just said, "Meh, that's good enough." Nothing holds the stock in the folded position but friction on two plastic washers. You tighten the hinge pin screw to get the right friction on it. Shaking the rifle will cause the stock to flop around. When locked up in the fixed position there is play in the mechanism. There is also a random screw that we can't figure out what it does. I think you are supposed to back it out to get rid of the play but then it will be loose? Needless to say, the Canadian built folding mechanism will be greatly improved if I have any say in it.

How did you get your hands on a Robarm folding stock, you ask? I'm better than you, that's how. :cool:


In summary, from a "haven't shot it" stand point the XCR gets a thumbs down. It is a decently designed rifle that I'm sure will work fine but plain and simple it is not worth $2300. Save your money, pass on this rifle and wait for the Canadian built .308 black rifle.
 
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Armedsask,

I think that was me who told you that you could crack it open (I was there on Monday). I thought it was funny, I walked in there with a buddy to check out some sigs for him and ended up selling a guy (you) on an XCR and my buddy on a Sig P226. I wasn't even working that day!
I was in there Wednesday night, so don't think it was you if you are talking about Monday.
 
Time for a mini review. I haven't shot it yet but we had it all apart in the shop today and looked it over.

From a manufacturing stand point, I'm very unimpressed. The machining and general construction is alright, but not worth $2300. The ejector plate thing makes me cringe. The floppy and loose charging handle is also unimpressive. The bolt catch you can reach with your trigger finger is a great feature but it is sloppy and loose. Basically, they cheaped out on quality to get the rifles banged out as fast as they could for as cheap as they could. So many screws on this thing just waiting to loosen up and fall out.

The Rodbarm folding mechanism is a flaming pile of s**t. It's like they started designing a folding mech and then just said, "Meh, that's good enough." Nothing holds the stock in the folded position but friction on two plastic washers. You tighten the hinge pin screw to get the right friction on it. Shaking the rifle will cause the stock to flop around. When locked up in the fixed position there is play in the mechanism. There is also a random screw that we can't figure out what it does. I think you are supposed to back it out to get rid of the play but then it will be loose? Needless to say, the Canadian built folding mechanism will be greatly improved if I have any say in it.

How did you get your hands on a Robarm folding stock, you ask? I'm better than you, that's how. :cool:


In summary, from a "haven't shot it" stand point the XCR gets a thumbs down. It is a decently designed rifle that I'm sure will work fine but plain and simple it is not worth $2300. Save your money, pass on this rifle and wait for the Canadian built .308 black rifle.

Thanks so much for that review from your skilled perspective.
I am *seriously* interested in your rifle coming to market.
I want to support your effort and also get something that has real
quality at a fair price.
Please keep at it and keep us informed of your progress!
Happy New Year.
 
But...didn't you say you checked it out first?
I did check it out first but not thoroughly as they wouldn't let me pop it open in the store. I could only look at the outside.


Let me make something clear, so far I am not upset with buying the XCR. It is not a bad rifle by any stretch. It is not, how ever, worth $2300. For example, when the manual says "If XX screw/bolt is loose, remove it and add Loctite then reinstall." A $2300 rifle should not need the quality assurance done by the user.
 
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I did check it out first but not thoroughly as they wouldn't let me pop it open in the store. I could only look at the outside.


Let me make something clear, so far I am not upset with buying the XCR. It is not a bad rifle by any stretch. It is not, how ever, worth $2300. For example, when the manual says "If XX screw/bolt is loose, remove it and add Loctite then reinstall." A $2300 rifle should not need the quality assurance done by the user.

Never read that even from a Dasy air gun :jerkit:

I was on my way to BUY on but will stick to my BLACK SPECIAL idea i think... Seem that the 500$ more worth it...
 
Bit of a harsh review... but yeah it's a supply and demand thing. How many other 'black' rifles can you take out to the gopher patch, tag 'yotes with, etc... mine's a fixed stock BTW, I never liked folders, in any configuration. I much prefer collapsable stocks...
 
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I almost bought an M96. Wolverine had a used one for sale for $600. I jumped and then dude said the ad was wrong and it was $2100, used. :mad::jerkit:
The M96 was, and still is, an awesome rifle. Robarm should have stuck with that. Hell, they should have just tweaked it and added some of the features the XCR has. It's a shame they quit making it.
 
I did an incredibly stupid thing today.

I'm in Calgary with time to kill so I swung by The Shooting Edge. Much to my excitement they had an XCR on the rack. I played around with it for about 10 minutes, my first time handling the rifle. I checked out all the features and ergonomics of this nifty rifle. I then asked they guy if I could pop it open to check out the internals. I guess they don't let window shoppers do this.

So I bought it.

I think I'll put a folding stock on it tomorrow. Then I'll figure out how I'm going to pay for this. :redface:

Are you still in town? I thought you were going to look me up to get together to put some rounds down range?:pirate:
 
lol, way to go armed, you're just like I am. guns, knives, and motorcycles are my poison

eta, I happen to like the bolted on ejector. sure it may come loose, mine hasn't. at least it's not spring loaded like an AR. a non resi black rifle that takes AR mags is not bad considering the base price of even a 180B, which doesn't have any rails whatsoever. I find the XCR to be an excellent accurate rifle.
 
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From a manufacturing stand point, I'm very unimpressed. The machining and general construction is alright, but not worth $2300. The ejector plate thing makes me cringe. The floppy and loose charging handle is also unimpressive. The bolt catch you can reach with your trigger finger is a great feature but it is sloppy and loose. Basically, they cheaped out on quality to get the rifles banged out as fast as they could for as cheap as they could. So many screws on this thing just waiting to loosen up and fall out.

Of course its not worth $2300, its new and it limited quantities so ya gotta pay if you want one! But since when has 'to much money' ever stopped a gun nut? ;)

For the record though, there haven't been any reported problems with the ejector. If it comes loose (not all do), loctite fixes it every time. I do agree about the bolt release, but its a fairly minor annoyance. I haven't noticed the charging handle on mine being loose, but I do wish I could removed the spring-loaded forward-assist cap from the handle.
 
Armedsask, how does it stack up to a ar180B?
Throw a railed forend on an AR180B and I would say these rifles are nearly equals. The XCR takes the lead by having an aluminum lower and other nice features like an external bolt catch. Quality wise, they are on par with each other. The AR180B is priced reasonably for what you get. The XCR is not.

If some company, maybe a Canadian one even, were to build an AR18 based rifle with an aluminum lower and other nifty features we all want, I'd take that.
 
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