Can I legally get a non restricted VZ-58L chopped to make it barely legal.

What do you want to do exactly? The NR version is already 18.5" which is as short as you can have for a NR. You can't cut it down any farther (and if you did it would make it a prohib IIRC.) You can cut down the restricted model as much as you want, like Palinak and others have done where they moved the front sight back to the gas block and have a nice shorty now. (barrel around 8.5 inches I guess)

Here are two shorties. Pictures 1 and Picture 2
 
Thanks for the rapid reply and answer to my question.
In my non thinking mind I had plans to get the non restricted chopped down to within 1mm of the restricted, but still be legal.... ah well I guess i will have to go with the restricted still from Marstar.

Thanks

scotty said:
What do you want to do exactly? The NR version is already 18.5" which is as short as you can have for a NR so you can't cut it down any farther (and if you did it would make it a prohib IIRC.) You can cut down the restricted model as much as you want, like Palinak and others have done (pictures are posting in the VZ58) thread where the moved the front sight back to the gas block.

Here are two shorties. Pictures 1 and Picture 2
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I have a weird idea floating in my head and I think this is the right thread to talk about it.

So there it goes, I tough off backing down the front sight of my CZ-858 and then putting my Cezh or a AK-74 muzzle brake OVER the barrel. After that, I would drill the corresponding holes through the barrel.

Legaly, since the rifling would still exist and the inner diameter would not be affected, that project wouldn't be considered as a barrel lenght reducing operation so it would keep it's unrestricted status.

I am pretty sure that that way the rifle would look a lot more balanced. It would sure brake that long thin barrel look when you use the regular stock.

But would porting the barrel would be enough to have some beneficial effect on the recoil? Would the accuracy be hurted a lot by portings? And would the pressure drop enough on the piston to affect the reliability of the rifle?

So what do you think?
 
VZsammy said:
I have a weird idea floating in my head and I think this is the right thread to talk about it.

So there it goes, I tough off backing down the front sight of my CZ-858 and then putting my Cezh or a AK-74 muzzle brake OVER the barrel. After that, I would drill the corresponding holes through the barrel.

Legaly, since the rifling would still exist and the inner diameter would not be affected, that project wouldn't be considered as a barrel lenght reducing operation so it would keep it's unrestricted status.

I am pretty sure that that way the rifle would look a lot more balanced. It would sure brake that long thin barrel look when you use the regular stock.

But would porting the barrel would be enough to have some beneficial effect on the recoil? Would the accuracy be hurted a lot by portings? And would the pressure drop enough on the piston to affect the reliability of the rifle?

So what do you think?
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That's exactly what I was thinking of doing... It would look like a restricted length gun with a muzzle break. I probably won't get around to doing it for a long while. Let us know how it goes!
 
VZsammy said:
I have a weird idea floating in my head and I think this is the right thread to talk about it.

So there it goes, I tough off backing down the front sight of my CZ-858 and then putting my Cezh or a AK-74 muzzle brake OVER the barrel. After that, I would drill the corresponding holes through the barrel.

Legaly, since the rifling would still exist and the inner diameter would not be affected, that project wouldn't be considered as a barrel lenght reducing operation so it would keep it's unrestricted status.

I am pretty sure that that way the rifle would look a lot more balanced. It would sure brake that long thin barrel look when you use the regular stock.

But would porting the barrel would be enough to have some beneficial effect on the recoil? Would the accuracy be hurted a lot by portings? And would the pressure drop enough on the piston to affect the reliability of the rifle?

So what do you think?
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Weird ? I don't think so . Was the first thing I thought of when I took mine out of the box . Already removed the pins & f/sight , I plan on using the long cz muzzle brake & move the f/sight assembly back & thread the muzzle brake to the end , once installed pin the f/sight assembly . Touch up the cheesy paint job & drill the holes in the muzzle brake into the barrel . One day would like to parkerize all the metal . Already have real wood stock
 
you need to pass a reamer INSIDE the barrel if you port it to remove the rifling and the ditch from the porting hole...

#1bcshooter,can you post pic's of your wood stock please ??

Sendero
 
VZsammy said:
I have a weird idea floating in my head and I think this is the right thread to talk about it.

So there it goes, I tough off backing down the front sight of my CZ-858 and then putting my Cezh or a AK-74 muzzle brake OVER the barrel. After that, I would drill the corresponding holes through the barrel.

Legaly, since the rifling would still exist and the inner diameter would not be affected, that project wouldn't be considered as a barrel lenght reducing operation so it would keep it's unrestricted status.

I am pretty sure that that way the rifle would look a lot more balanced. It would sure brake that long thin barrel look when you use the regular stock.

But would porting the barrel would be enough to have some beneficial effect on the recoil? Would the accuracy be hurted a lot by portings? And would the pressure drop enough on the piston to affect the reliability of the rifle?

So what do you think?
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I thought the same thing, except I wouldn't bother milling out the porting.
 
Recoil? cheesy paint job? muzzlebrake? REAL stock? Aw, come on guys!
Hey, this isn't supposed to be a cute firearm; it works and not badly, mind you and it does exactly what it was designed for in the first place. Pimping it up just costs efforts and contributes to global warming just as this reply is going to generate some warm air, I guess...
Recoil? bah, humbug!
PP.;)
 
VZsammy said:
I have a weird idea floating in my head and I think this is the right thread to talk about it.

So there it goes, I tough off backing down the front sight of my CZ-858 and then putting my Cezh or a AK-74 muzzle brake OVER the barrel. After that, I would drill the corresponding holes through the barrel.

Legaly, since the rifling would still exist and the inner diameter would not be affected, that project wouldn't be considered as a barrel lenght reducing operation so it would keep it's unrestricted status.

I am pretty sure that that way the rifle would look a lot more balanced. It would sure brake that long thin barrel look when you use the regular stock.

But would porting the barrel would be enough to have some beneficial effect on the recoil? Would the accuracy be hurted a lot by portings? And would the pressure drop enough on the piston to affect the reliability of the rifle?

So what do you think?
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oh wow... show of hands how many other CZ858/VZ85L owners had the idea of moving hte front sight back in mind aswell?

i thought of it too! except with a slight variation to the idea above.
 
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