Loading paper 410 hulls?
- Thread starter Fox
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I reload paper 12 ga, and enjoy the old time process, but they are quite finicky to work with. I load .410 too, but not paper. Paper .410 shells would be much more difficult to load properly. Any slight flaw in the crimp is a bigger challenge the smaller the shell is. A worthy goal, and good luck to you, but i wouldn't find it fun.
You just run straight wall hull wads or fiber wads when you roll paper hulls? Do you just load modern paper hulls or older ones?
I have paper hulls for 16ga as well, although I have not shot enough of them to reload them, yet.
The vast majority are star crimped CIL, I just checked and they look to 209 primers, I do not think CIL would have been using the Rem 57 primers.
I do have some really old paper ones that used a rifle primer, they may or may not be black powder, I have never shot one of those.
I have an old (empty) pack of CIL No. 4BP primers, which date back to the paper hull era. On the back of the pack it says, "FOR ALL BRANDS AND GAUGES OF CIL SMOKELESS POWDER SHOTSHELLS." I don't have any of the actual primers, but if memory serves, they were different than modern 209 primers. For one thing, the flange on the battery cup was much thinner.
And they were much shorter overall and could easily be picked out by just the eye
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I've mostly loaded the modern 12 ga Federal paper gold medal hulls, with card&fiber wads. There is no reason not to use plastic wads made for straight wall hulls in paper hulls, I just choose not to. Roll crimps are something I've done with plastic hulls ,but my paper have been star crimped. A tip, If you're crimping once (or more) fired paper hulls, use a smooth crimp starter, not a "star" crimp starter. It works better for reasons I don't understand. My Pacific press has both and reccomdns smooth starter for reloading paper shells with crimps, 6 point starter for new smooth paper hulls.
I have some 1970's Gevelot paper 16 ga. hulls that I'm saving for an advanced session of "reloaders tinkering on a rainy day". Will report back on here when that day comes.
The SP410 goes right into the hull, which is nice. If I go with fiber wads, nitro card, etc, I will have to find some for the 38-40 as the 410 ones will be too wide, they are designed for muzzle loaders.
It will be interesting, I only have a Lee Loader at the moment for it but it would be fun to shoot these hulls at least a 2nd time.
Decided on Cheddite data due to being straight wall hulls. With W296 and a 1/2oz load things worked out quite well, the crimp is not awesome but a single #4 pellet to seal it up works well.
I do not expect to get 1 reload out of these but the Cheddite data is a low pressure load and 1 more loading on 150 hulls is pretty sweet for 410 right now.
I do not expect to get 1 reload out of these but the Cheddite data is a low pressure load and 1 more loading on 150 hulls is pretty sweet for 410 right now.
