I am hoping for a new target gun

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bigHUN

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I have no powderburners, only airguns. And I am only shooting paper at my gun club, I don't hunt. I was hunting for 30 plus years but I put the crossbow down over a decade ago and that was it.
I Have a FX Impact in .25 dedicated for shooting slugs only, and I have a Leshiy2 in .22 shooting pellets only. I have collected all the supporting equipment around these two calibre projectiles.
With these two I can pretty much train and practice for any competition up to 100 meters.
but... a 100 meters best performer is a .30 cal pellet, still a pellet.

And here my tinkering starts. To invest a next $3K in a pellet airgun again, or maybe this is a good opportunity to get myself a real 2-400 meter Precision Rifle. Rimfire or 6.3?
But I had no spare brain cells to have any interest towards anything else then airguns only....I am completely illiterate for the new idea.
 
6mm is overkill for under 400yds on steel/paper. You will save money and not sacrifice much in terms of accuracy with a quality bolt rifle chambered in 223.
 
bigHUN said:
I have no powderburners, only airguns. And I am only shooting paper at my gun club, I don't hunt. I was hunting for 30 plus years but I put the crossbow down over a decade ago and that was it.
I Have a FX Impact in .25 dedicated for shooting slugs only, and I have a Leshiy2 in .22 shooting pellets only. I have collected all the supporting equipment around these two calibre projectiles.
With these two I can pretty much train and practice for any competition up to 100 meters.
but... a 100 meters best performer is a .30 cal pellet, still a pellet.

And here my tinkering starts. To invest a next $3K in a pellet airgun again, or maybe this is a good opportunity to get myself a real 2-400 meter Precision Rifle. Rimfire or 6.3?
But I had no spare brain cells to have any interest towards anything else then airguns only....I am completely illiterate for the new idea.
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Maybe go towards a taget .22? For around 3K you can buy a pretty nice anschutz target rifle. Or save a bit and buy a CZ to learn on then buy a dedicated rifle?
https://www.nordicmarksman.com/Small-Bore-Target-Rifles.html
 
I was very much into archery competition and over two decades I collected "an impressive" equipment, and all the $$$ now sitting in my basement locker room.
So I fully understand what the "money pit" means ;)
This what I am trying to be more vise with guns, and I only kept two, one in .25 and one in .22, but these are the best for specific games I know of.
I like the idea of "target .22" thanks for the tip.
Also, I like the modular chassis guns, I am a tinkerer, I may be wrong but I have a feel these are easy customizable? I will look into that CZ and not scared of education again and again.
 
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- Wife thinks it would be a little overkill for my basement 10M shooting...
 
Over this winter I built myself a one-piece-rest for my .25 FX Impact. Finished testing but have not take it to the gun club yet.
uhm, cannot upload pictures, looks like I need to buy more storage place.

Edit: I renew the membership, still cannot upload pictures, maybe need a little longer...

Thanks, I am set with air rifles, the next step is a 223 or Nato 5
 
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I would go for a .223 for target/varmints. Lots of options and pleasant to shoot.
 
Just my 2 cents (or less). A 22LR rimfire standard velocity bullet will drop about 300 inches at 400 yards. Its velocity would be about 650 fps. Likely not particularly accurate. A .223 wil drop about 27 inches with a 55 grain factory VMax bullet and retain velocities above the speed of sound (the velocity would be about 1800 fps)...so a much better choice. My preference is a 6.5 Creedmoor. It is easy to reload for, very forgiving and very accurate/precise. Also, the recoil is very manageable. Try and find something with a longish heavy barrel. There are some less popular calibres that are very good as well. But, with them, you may struggle to find bullets and cases. the .223 and the 6.5 CR not so much.
 
Thanks, I am leaning all these.
At my gun club (Sharon) my favourite spot is @ 22LR range (20-100), because almost nobody is coming there most of time, nested between tree lines and the wind drift is not very aggressive. Right next beside are the 200 meters and 400 meters ranges that are maybe 30-40% of times completely free, and these are like in a tunnel between tree lines.
With this my .25 Impact the 200 would be a stretch, this why looking to build one BR gun that can cover 400.
Some sort of rail gun, not sure if I need a furniture at all.
 
sillymike said:
Depends if you're looking for more challenge or more performance.
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Mike, shooting a N50 paper target @ 100 meters (no matter what you use pellets or slugs) we can call it beyond challenging. I just 3d printed couple wind indicators and plugged in a weathermeter into Streloc, that shall be first thing to learn if I want to move to a next level up...
 
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A friend of my is offering me some aussy barrel from he's several years long project he never finish it. If I understand correctly it is a Nato 5.55 "custom" barrel. I shall visit him over a weekend I have no idea what the "custom barrel" means or what is a custom about it. I would skip the furniture and just keep it naked clamp it to a bench - unless I find some interesting italian designed wood work.
 
bigHUN said:
A friend of my is offering me some aussy barrel from he's several years long project he never finish it. If I understand correctly it is a Nato 5.55 "custom" barrel. I shall visit him over a weekend I have no idea what the "custom barrel" means or what is a custom about it. I would skip the furniture and just keep it naked clamp it to a bench - unless I find some interesting italian designed wood work.
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I'd like to see a recording of this experiment, plz exercise caution; not to undermine your evident expertise but powder burners behave differently than air rifles... Matter of fact im not even sure that a mechanized trigger pull (ie a piece of string) is necessarily legal.
 
bigHUN said:
And here my tinkering starts. To invest a next $3K in a pellet airgun again, or maybe this is a good opportunity to get myself a real 2-400 meter Precision Rifle. Rimfire or 6.3?
But I had no spare brain cells to have any interest towards anything else then airguns only....I am completely illiterate for the new idea.
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If what's desired is consistent, small groups at distances of 200 to 400 yards, .22LR is not the caliber to achieve that.

In recent years a lot more rimfire shooters are shooting at longer distances. That doesn't mean they are getting what most other shooters would describe as generally excellent or precise results. In terms of MOA, a good .22LR rifle with very good ammo (even the best .22 ammos will vary lot to lot) will be able to shoot sub-MOA ten-shot groups at 100 yards. The trouble with rimfire is that group size increases MOA-wise the further the target.

With an absence of wind, or excellent use of wind flags, 100 yards is about the maximum for good, consistent, reliable results. Beyond that distance, the nature of .22LR causes it to perform increasingly poorly. As a rule of thumb, if .22LR can produce 1 MOA at 100 (and the average rifle/ammo can't), shooters can reasonably expect to see 2 - 3 MOA at 200 and worse at 300 and 400.

Why does .22LR get worse and worse as distance increases?

Variation in MV is one cause. A very good box of ammo will have a spread of 30 fps. Every 10 fps difference between two rounds will result in .25" of vertical spread at 100 yards; at 200 yards the vertical will be about 1" between the two rounds; at 400 the rounds will be about 4" of vertical.

The effect of changes in wind is another. For every 1 mph change in a crosswind, a .22LR bullet will drift about .37" at 100, 1.3" at 200, and about 5" at 400 yards.

If .22LR shooters had easy access to very good ammo, the difficulties of shooting would be limited to MV variation and the effects of wind. Unfortunately, very good .22LR match ammo is often not easy to find.

To sum up, if a shooter is looking for consistent, small groups at distances of 200 to 400 yards, .22LR is not the cartridge for the job. Try a centerfire caliber.
 
grauhanen said:
... if a shooter is looking for consistent, small groups at distances of 200 to 400 yards, .22LR is not the cartridge for the job. Try a centerfire caliber.
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This !!! what I was looking for.
At my airgun forums we had several discussion regards of BC (ballistic coefficiency) of most popular pellets and slugs. The mainstream is moving towards slugs and people just ignore the mathematics... up to 100 meters the pellets are still more precise POI in contrast to slugs...slugs remain in speed for longer ranges but measurable only after some 150 to 200 or 250 meters. Ppl want to shoot slugs but have no room to shot them, that is where a nonsense comes to play.
We cannot dismiss the effects of elements, to cut on wind the mass must be higher propelled with more juice.
Thanks,
 
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