Swedish M96?s

Hagar

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Was looking at the rifles on the Tradex site but I am not familiar with these rifles.What can you guys tell me about them.Are they a good hunting rifle?What are the triggers like and are they adjustable? I am thinking of a 6.5x55 for sheep and deer hunting and would like to know your opinions on these rifles.Thanks for your help.

Hagar
 
My first rifle and the first deer I shot was with a M38 (the shorter version of the M96). The M96 (if it has not been modified) has a 29" barrel, not too practical for hunting but still a nice rifle. They are known to be very accurate, the trigger is a military two stage trigger, mine isn't too bad but there are a lot of replacement triggers for them as well.
 
You can get a Timney's for about 45 bucks form lockstock.com

However, you can get a new Tikka 6.5 x 55 from Ellwoodepps for 599.00

So for the extra 300 bucks, I would be buying the Tikka. I have had a couple m38's/96's. While OK, they are no way comparable to the tikka.
 
Ordered Two guns from them last week should be here tommorrow.
One Tikka 558 in.308, One shotgun 12ga. No swedes though. They look good
but you have to be sure because it is sporterized conversion and how accurate is the description. Call anthony or email him. For $250 you can always use it for a tomato plant stake
 
Some of the rifles at Trade Ex are interesting but they won't compare too well with a modern rifle as far as the action and trigger are concerned.

The Mod 96 uses a #### on close action that I find clumsier to use than #### on open as most modern rifles are. The trigger is not great but can be replaced. The stocks are designed for open sights so your cheek may be off the stock if you scope them. Also, many are drilled and tapped for side mounts which may be hard to find here. If scoping there may also be issues with the safety and bolt clearances. If you want a scoped hunting rifle you could probably do better buying a used modern bolt action.

Having said that, I do find the classic look of some of their rifles appealing.
 
I haven't seen them up close, but If these were sporters made in Sweden then IMHO they are going to be quality.

Also a Tikka in 6.5x55 stainless would be quite nice also. :)
 
Swede Mausers in 6.5x55mm

You can get a Timney's for about 45 bucks form lockstock.com

However, you can get a new Tikka 6.5 x 55 from Ellwoodepps for 599.00

So for the extra 300 bucks, I would be buying the Tikka. I have had a couple m38's/96's. While OK, they are no way comparable to the tikka.

+1

If you want a "sporter" rifle in 6.5x55mm that will be superior right outta the box the Tikka is the way to go. I have a Tikka 695 stainless/synthetic so I'm all over that. Also, have a Rem 700 Classic in 6.5x55m and had a Ruger MkII in 6.5x55mm. Good choices, all three. Always wanted a Winchester Model 70 featherweight in 6.5x55mm but that one has eluded me thus far.

Anyway, back to the Swedes.... if you can find one already sporterized in decent shape at a decent price then it will most likely make an "acceptable" hunting rifle. But I wouldn't buy one in military form & bubba it or have it made into a sporter. Unless you were able to do all the work by yourself by the time you do the mods to create a "sporter" you be into it for what you would probably outlay for the NIB Tikka as above.

Other than that, the Model 96 with straight bolt in either the full rifle with the 29" barrel or the "short rifle" version with the 24" barrel make great shooters. Many people hunt with them in full military configuration with the iron sites & do quite well. The Model 38 is a later version with 24" barrel & turned bolt.

I also have a 1899 mfg Mauser Oberndorf Swede short rifle with the 24" barrel and a 1942 mfg Husqvarna mfg Swede with the turned bolt & 24" barrel. Love the cartridge and love the rifles.
 
If you're into long range shooting, and need/want a scope, you will find that these rifles have limitations as far as the bolt is concerned - unless already modified. Also, they have a fixed floorplate, which means you have to cycle the rounds through the action whenever you want to unload.
 
Take the point of one bullet, and poke the hole in front of the floor plate, and the mag catch pops open. (In most cases anyway). :D

But also half cycling to unload ain't that bad of a deal IMHO.
 
I have sporter M38 that I suspect came from the trade ex batch. The trigger was replaced by a finnish one and seems to be shooting very well so far. Cant seem to find a sling for the small swivels.
 
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Well my experiance with them is limited. I picked up this girl a few months back on a trade with a fellow Gunnut. My first opinion when I recieved this rifle was, while not particularly pretty, it was very sturdy. The bolt on mine comes up quite high, which requires the use of extra high rings. I've gotten quite used to it, and now find it very comfortable. The #### on closing feature is nothing new to me, nor will it be to most shooters. Users of the Lee Enfield rifle have no problems with it, and the 96 action requires the same amount of force to close as the Lee. Accuracy is quite good, as the only load I've put through it, the 140 grain Federal offering gave me good hunting groups around 1.5-2" at 100 yards. The 2 stage trigger is, in my opinion better than any Lee I've shot.

Also, they have a fixed floorplate, which means you have to cycle the rounds through the action whenever you want to unload

Again, I'm no expert on these rifles, but my example has a hinged floorplate. The stamping and finish on the metal looks original, as you can see in this picture.
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While the stock is not original, I only assumed this floorplate was. :)confused:) Though I could be wrong.

All in all, I have no problems recommending one of these rifles to anyone who wants a real big game rifle, but who doesn't want the recoil of a real big game rifle. And the statement about them not being equal to a T3 is correct. I feel the M96 is a superior rifle. The durability cannot be questioned, and the track record is superior to the Tikka. How many people complain about the plastic pieces on a Mauser? :wave:
 
P2 - Are you sure thats one of the Tradex rifles? Looks more like one of the Epps conversions done here in Canada (I have a similar one...) My comments reflect the post ww2 Husqvarna conversions, which used military parts - they typically have fixed floorplates, no military rear sight, front sling swivel on the barrel.
Unless the Tradex description says otherwise you should assume a fixed floorplate and standard M38 bolt, requiring extra high rings. like the see throughs on your rifle..
 
I have sporter M38 that I suspect came from the trade ex batch. The trigger was replaced by a finnish one and seems to be shooting very well so far. Cant seem to find a sling for the small swivels.

If you can get some Chinese SKS slings for cheap at a gun show, they work perfectly.

Frank
 
I've researched this topic quite extensively when I first came across the Tradeex site, and think that the M96 rifles can make an amazing platform so long as you do your homework before taking the plunge. Here's my summation for all that it's worth.

For starters, the guns currently coming from Sweden to Canada and the US stems from a law that they passed several years ago limiting hunters and shooters with a normal firearms licence from owning more than five firearms at a time. With a rate of firearms ownership in Scandanavian countries that compares to Canada and is perhaps only exceeded by the US, that's created quite the surplus of firearms that many owners have had to unload whenever they want to purchase a more modern rifle.

As to the rifles that Tradeex is carrying, their quality, value and collectibility depends upon several variables. The Husqvarnas were commercially produced sporting rifles made at the factory from new recievers, sometimes off of the same production line going into their military rifles. They are the most collectable and very well made. Second to them, companies like Stiga (which still produces other sporting goods but no firearms) took surplus M96 recievers after the war and used them as the basis for their sporting rifles. Since the recievers were not new when these rifles were put together, they are slightly less desirable than the Huskys though I doubt that that matters to most people who'd use them. Finally we get into the various sporters made by out of surplus military rifles, sometimes even retaining the stepped barrels, using cut down military stocks or aftermarket ones. though some of those rifles can shoot very well, their quality varies much like that which exists between the various Lee Enfield sporters that are out there.

For a modern Canadian hunter wanting a nice bolt gun in 6.5x55, there are a few things to look for in these rifles. For starters, the design of the M96 bolt even in its commercial form does not lend well to offering clearance for a scope, and sometimes a bit of work is required to make weaver type bases fit onto the rear of the reciever. Many older rifles used the side mount, that while highly collectable when available on the rifle, nevertheless put the scope higher than most modern shooters would find desirable. Many of these side mounts have also long since been taken off the rifles, leaving some unsightly holes in the side of the reciever.

For more conventional scope mounting, the Swedes did a couple of things. Firstly, many just mounted weaver bases and used AimPoint sights that were made in Sweden and did not extend behind the bolt handle. Another alternative was to use see-through mounts of the sort on Pharoh's rifle, which also sit the scope a bit higher than desirable. The third alternative, which in my opinion is the most desirable, involves the installation of Weaver type bases, bending of the bolt, and usually the installation of a side or low-swing safety, which allows the rifle to be used with a scope just like any modern sporting arm. Thus it is very important to pay attention to the description of each rifle when choosing amongst them.

The other consideration with the commercial Husqvarnas is the stock. The Swedes made some very ergonomically handy and light stocks for these rifles, but there's a few caveats. They were very tightly fitted and have developed a tendency to form hairline cracks at the tang and behind the triggerguard. It is important to relieve some space there, and almost mandatory that you consider glass bedding the action in order to prevent cracking. In those cases where hairline cracks are present, they can be repaired fairly easily with the same materials that you'll need to bed the action, so it's worth inquiring or asking for pictures when the stock's described as cracked, since the rifle might still be worth the trouble.

And lets not forget Bubba. While most of the rifles at Tradeex have had their bolts professionally altered, you do get the odd rifle that's been somewhat crudely modified. The Swedes seemed to have had a rather utilititarian attitude towards their hunting rifles, usually doing a very good job of cleaning the barrels and keeping the rifles functional, but on the otherhand were not averse to cutting notches or putting tacks on their rifles to record how much game they shot, or electropenciling their names into visible areas on the reciever, mag plate etc. Consequently, each rifle is an entity of their own.

Sadly, I have yet had the opportunity to fire the few M96 rifles that I've purchased from Tradeex, since my first attempts at bedding needed to be redone (I've bought Acraglass Gel for my second try, having found the normal mixture a bit too runny) and it took some time for me to get the reloading equipment for the two 9.3x57 and one 9.3x62 rifles that I've acquired. The 6.5x55 in a commercial Husqvarna configuration is a rarer varient, with perhaps 20-30 000 made in that calibre. I got one last year with Weaver mounts and a modified bolt handle to clear a scope, and look forward to trying her this summer after I bed her (she came with a hair crack at the tang that I've already repaired with Acraglass). I'll be posting more info here and at Gunboards.com, where their forum on Swedish civilian/commercial sporting rifles provided me with excellent information.

So in short, the older rifles at Tradeex can provide the source of much pleasure in the woods, be that with a 6.5, 8mm, or one of the 9.3mm rounds that are excellent for many applications on deer, bear and moose in many of the environments and terrain found here in Canada. Anthony has been most helpful when it comes to sending pictures or explaining more whenever I've needed more information, and is generally very conservative when rating the condition of the rifles that he sells. Depending on your tastes and what you want from these rifles will fundamentally decide whether you'll go for one of the older ones or pick up a newer Tikka, which is definitely a decent rifle in its own right.

With Regards,

Frank

PS. The Gunboards.com site recently went through a clean up that got rid of most of their older posts about these rifles, which was really unfortunate. Nevertheless it is regularly visited by several posters who are expert on most aspects of these rifles who'll happily answer any further questions. For instance, I owe it to one of them who determined that my rifle with "9.3mm" listed on the barrel was one of a special run of 229 made in 1942 in 9.3x62, NOT 9.3x57 which is what I thought it was. I probably saved about $100 off the price of the rifle as a result, though I'm glad that I discovered it before firing it!
 
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Well my experiance with them is limited. I picked up this girl a few months back on a trade with a fellow Gunnut. My first opinion when I recieved this rifle was, while not particularly pretty, it was very sturdy. The bolt on mine comes up quite high, which requires the use of extra high rings. I've gotten quite used to it, and now find it very comfortable. The #### on closing feature is nothing new to me, nor will it be to most shooters. Users of the Lee Enfield rifle have no problems with it, and the 96 action requires the same amount of force to close as the Lee. Accuracy is quite good, as the only load I've put through it, the 140 grain Federal offering gave me good hunting groups around 1.5-2" at 100 yards. The 2 stage trigger is, in my opinion better than any Lee I've shot.




Again, I'm no expert on these rifles, but my example has a hinged floorplate. The stamping and finish on the metal looks original, as you can see in this picture.
DSCI0148.jpg

While the stock is not original, I only assumed this floorplate was. :)confused:) Though I could be wrong.

All in all, I have no problems recommending one of these rifles to anyone who wants a real big game rifle, but who doesn't want the recoil of a real big game rifle. And the statement about them not being equal to a T3 is correct. I feel the M96 is a superior rifle. The durability cannot be questioned, and the track record is superior to the Tikka. How many people complain about the plastic pieces on a Mauser? :wave:

Pharoh,

Your rifle looks like a modification that was done by Century International Arms about 15-20 years ago when the flood of inexpensive Swedish Mausers was in it's heyday. They took military rifles, installed the Holden Ironsighter mount (see the post above for the reasons why), refinished the metal and put them into either hardwood or black synthetic stocks. I clearly remember the $199.99 price tag for the wood stocked model, since it was one of my dream rifles as a teenager waiting to get my license. I think that the synthetic stocked model went for about $30 more. They are definitely one of the more practical sporters out there, so long as you don't mind the higher sight radius for the scope. I handled a sythetic rifle and saw a wood stocked one purchased by someone else years ago when King Sol's in Toronto was getting out of firearms and and selling these at just over $200 each. I just missed out on them! Enjoy.....

Frank
 
Always wanted a Winchester Model 70 featherweight in 6.5x55mm but that one has eluded me thus far.

Winchester Model 70 featherweight in 6.5x55mm sold in meer minutes on the EE this afternoon. Knew I shouldn't've stayed for that extra coffee at the gunshop this afternoon.... :( :redface: :( :redface: :(
 
Hi

The full blown M96 is a WWI era military rifle design. The ones I have are all more than 100 years old. The actions are strong enough for most modern cartridges. The 6.5 x 55 is a great round in it's own right.

Most of the Swede sporter rifles I have seen recently have been in cartridges heavier than the 6.5. To my eye the sporters are quite adequate rifles. They share the same scope mount issues of any Mauser. The nice thing about most of the sporters is that they already have the bolt work done for a scope.

You rarely see really bad bores on Swede Mausers. Their military started using non-corrosive ammo very early on. I suspect that the lack of major wartime service also helped keep the rifles in good shape.

A lot depends on which one you are looking at ...

Bob
 
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