170g hornady 3030 blew apart

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Dug this out of a bear.
50yrds quartering away.
Found at the hide, opposite side sholder.
Bear got a second one.

I have a few boxes of 160g FTX I can load. Might try thoes for the second tag?

What pills are you guys sling out of the 30-30.

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What did the bear look like? Hit a lot of heavy bone or...?
Those RN bullets are known to be good rounds at short range like that. I've seen them deform / expand (in a good way) but never come apart like that.
 
Boomer686 said:
What did the bear look like? Hit a lot of heavy bone or...?
Those RN bullets are known to be good rounds at short range like that. I've seen them deform / expand (in a good way) but never come apart like that.
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Front shoulders felt solid when feild dressing and skinning. I’ll get to dig in a few days when I cut it up.
I don’t think it hit a ton of bone. As the spine is intact

I have a slug from a 170g cor-lok i had stay in a mule deer. Brod side both sholders and it held together nice.
 
regulate34 said:
Front shoulders felt solid when feild dressing and skinning. I’ll get to dig in a few days when I cut it up.
I don’t think it hit a ton of bone. As the spine is intact....
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Yup for sure. Like I mentioned I found them to be stout bullets. Never experienced any issues with Hornady RN in .30-06 or 8mm Mauser either. Maybe lost a little jacket or a petal broke off but normally always held together well. Sometimes it's just a fluke result. Have you used these before with similar results or is it a one-off?
 
Brutus said:
I lost the expended/expanded copper jacket of 150 grain Winchester Silvertip. Was totally devoid of all lead but near perfect mushroom. Whitetailed buck probably 220 dressed.
Chest hit at longer range.
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This will be #5 for recovered bullets I got.
partition, game king, cor-lok, TSX and now this hornady.

The GameKing was 300g from my 375ruger. Perfect mushroom. But the cup and core separated at the last moment.
Were 4” apart and fit back together like a puzzle.
 
Boomer686 said:
Yup for sure. Like I mentioned I found them to be stout bullets. Never experienced any issues with Hornady RN in .30-06 or 8mm Mauser either. Maybe lost a little jacket or a petal broke off but normally always held together well. Sometimes it's just a fluke result. Have you used these before with similar results or is it a one-off?
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I’ve shot a few coyotes with this load. Full pass trough and exit holes looked like the bullet stayed together.
Not really the same as a bear. But that’s the only other game experience I’ve had with this bullet so far.
I kinda agree with you on the fluke.
 
I would say the bullet did it's job. Like you noted it passed through the front of the bear and was recovered under the hide on the off side. Cup and core bullets often do not perform like expensive ( and good) bonded bullets do. I have seen similar bullet behavior with cup and core in .303 British and others. All were at close range.

Darryl
 
madtrapper143 said:
I would say the bullet did it's job. Like you noted it passed through the front of the bear and was recovered under the hide on the off side. Cup and core bullets often do not perform like expensive ( and good) bonded bullets do. I have seen similar bullet behavior with cup and core in .303 British and others. All were at close range.

Darryl
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All the fragments were in a little pouch together. So I did hold together most of the way.
I was surprised to see it at 30-30 velocities.
I’m slightly over published data with LVR powder. But In a 20” bbl. So I figure I close to the publisher’s data with 24”bbl
2300-2350 FPS

Friend has a Crony. Maybe dial it back a bit?
 
regulate34 said:
All the fragments were in a little pouch together. So I did hold together most of the way.
I was surprised to see it at 30-30 velocities. I’m slightly over published data with LVR powder. But In a 20” bbl. So I figure I close to the publisher’s data with 24”bbl
2300-2350 FPS Friend has a Crony. Maybe dial it back a bit?
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If it shoots well I wouldn't dial it back. That bullet is rated for 2000-2500fps which I don't think you'll reach even with LVR powder in a 20" without first getting pressure signs.

IMO (worth exactly $0.02) you should always chrony your loads. It's good info to have and in my experience, as a point of reference, it's as vital as recording the powder charge, COAL / Comparator info & primer used.
 
Boomer686 said:
If it shoots well I wouldn't dial it back. That bullet is rated for 2000-2500fps which I don't think you'll reach even with LVR powder in a 20" without first getting pressure signs.

IMO (worth exactly $0.02) you should always chrony your loads. It's good info to have and in my experience, as a point of reference, it's as vital as recording the powder charge, COAL / Comparator info & primer used.
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I’d like to get one of my own one day. Priorities I guess.
Most of my load development is with a ladder test up till I see pressures signs.
Then narrow down my loads according to the according target.
 
I dunno. I'd say what you have there is a nothingburger, as far as things to worry about.

Bullet hit the bear, bullet worked, you got the bullet back. Seems like the story, from here.
 
trevj said:
I dunno. I'd say what you have there is a nothingburger, as far as things to worry about.

Bullet hit the bear, bullet worked, you got the bullet back. Seems like the story, from here.
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X2 for me also...bullet retained enough weight & energy to penetrate to opposite hide is "good stuff" as far as I can see.
 
While I have not used that 170 Hornady on Game, it has shot OK in 2-3 30-30 rifles I own[ed]
I actually prefer the Speer 170 FN Bullet, since it shoots better, and has held together well,
even when bone has been encountered. I use enough Leverevolution to achieve 2400 in a 24"
barrel on my 336A Marlin. This load is moa, and kills very well.

I would suggest that your recovered bullet is a one-off, OP, and not typical of it's performance.
The 160 FTX is fairly fragile, so may not perform as well as the 170. It's worth a try, though.
Dave.
 
Eagleye said:
While I have not used that 170 Hornady on Game, it has shot OK in 2-3 30-30 rifles I own[ed]
I actually prefer the Speer 170 FN Bullet, since it shoots better, and has held together well,
even when bone has been encountered. I use enough Leverevolution to achieve 2400 in a 24"
barrel on my 336A Marlin. This load is moa, and kills very well.

I would suggest that your recovered bullet is a one-off, OP, and not typical of it's performance.
The 160 FTX is fairly fragile, so may not perform as well as the 170. It's worth a try, though.
Dave.
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I think you might be right. I got some of the ftx loaded. Hits very close to the same POA.
For the sake of trying something new I think I’ll take them hunting.

But I also have a reduced load for my 375ruger with 235g Speer that I’ve been wondering how it will perform.
 
regulate34 said:
I think you might be right. I got some of the ftx loaded. Hits very close to the same POA.
For the sake of trying something new I think I’ll take them hunting.

But I also have a reduced load for my 375ruger with 235g Speer that I’ve been wondering how it will perform.
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235gr speer in the .375s are great ... look up steve bullet steve.
 
madtrapper143 said:
I would say the bullet did it's job. Like you noted it passed through the front of the bear and was recovered under the hide on the off side. Cup and core bullets often do not perform like expensive ( and good) bonded bullets do. I have seen similar bullet behavior with cup and core in .303 British and others. All were at close range.

Darryl
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as above....my 2 bits is that most bears in my experience require more than one shot, even with more energetic rounds....they don't give up easy like most moose do...one shot STOPS are rare
 
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