Police in Spain seize 29 million euro haul of stuffed endangered animals

I didn't see anything in that bunch of pictures that proved an illegal activity. A bunch of presumptions, opinions, yes, but no factual reporting of something illegal. No charges have been laid yet. There are legally hunted elephant, lion, etc. in taxidermy collections all over the world. And new ones added with proper hunting licenses and CITES permits all the time.
If this actually was smuggling of poached animals, its a big haul and I hope the perps go to jail. If not, this isn't news, more like a story that promotes anti hunting sentiment.
 
Longwalker said:
I didn't see anything in that bunch of pictures that proved an illegal activity. A bunch of presumptions, opinions, yes, but no factual reporting of something illegal. No charges have been laid yet. There are legally hunted elephant, lion, etc. in taxidermy collections all over the world. And new ones added with proper hunting licenses and CITES permits all the time.
If this actually was smuggling of poached animals, its a big haul and I hope the perps go to jail. If not, this isn't news, more like a story that promotes anti hunting sentiment.
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Nailed it!!
 
hsatimmy said:
So your response to claiming this affects more than the guilty people involved is to tell me to survey the avg Canadian? Why don't you Google basic logic and get back to me with a valid response.


The actions of one, do not taint the many
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They do if you're a leftard. Unless of course it is leftard actions tainting the rest of them. That's different, of course. - dan
 
Slamfire76239 said:
Ask the average Canadian what they think of African big game hunting. Come back when you have a response.
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Exactly! The majority of non hunters seem to paint all hunters with the same brush when it comes to hunting African or other exotic animals including bighorn sheep and goats. I do not condone illegal poaching either, BUT most non hunting people do not realize that the legal hunting of these animals puts money back into the community with licence and trophy fees not to mention that also none of these animals are needlessly killed, they feed local communities. It is also not a free for all, only certain selected animals can be taken and if blood is found and the animal not recovered it is still considered a dead animal and trophy fees must be paid. I don’t even like discussing this with non hunters anymore because in most cases it’s like talking to a brick wall and just ending in a heated argument.
 
Longwalker said:
I didn't see anything in that bunch of pictures that proved an illegal activity. A bunch of presumptions, opinions, yes, but no factual reporting of something illegal. No charges have been laid yet. There are legally hunted elephant, lion, etc. in taxidermy collections all over the world. And new ones added with proper hunting licenses and CITES permits all the time.
If this actually was smuggling of poached animals, its a big haul and I hope the perps go to jail. If not, this isn't news, more like a story that promotes anti hunting sentiment.
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That collection has been assembled over many many years. Look at the storage boxes. The mounts. The physical layout. The style of the room. Bull elephants with tusks that size were culled or hunted decades ago. Anyone can look at the Safari Club International record books. All the records dates back a lonnnnnnng time ago. The colours of the mounts also suggests very old kills. What strikes me is someone decided to raid this site either as a punishment or revenge. Lets hope the owner has lawyers aggressive enough to keep the legal pieces from being destroyed by anti-hunters. If there are illegally hunted or verifiably protected species, that is another matter.
 
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"Though most English publications have not named a suspect, Spanish newspapers say the warehouses and estate recently raided in the town of Bétera were formerly owned by a prominent Valencian businessman, Francisco Ros Casares, who died in 2014. Investigators expect that much of the collection was hunted or purchased by the late steel magnate. His massive business group and estate, which also included local soccer and basketball teams, passed to his two sons, but has since fallen into bankruptcy and liquidation."
 
maple_leaf_eh said:
Francisco Ros Casares, who died in 2014.
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I googled the name, and he was 86 when he died. That would have made him of an age where many of the "endangered" species could still be legally hunted. Addax and scimitar horned oryx were still in huntable numbers in their natural habitat well into the 1960's, if not into the '70's. Even walia ibex could be hunted under a special permit in the '60's, though they're critically endangered today.

I tend to agree that this is just a way to stir up anti-hunting sentiment.
 
The locals get the meat from elephant so nothing is wasted. I remember a stupid African dictator burning a barn sized pile of elephant tusks to "stop poaching" what an idiot the animals were already dead so the ivory could have been sold to pay for more game wardens to protect the living animals.This is pure propaganda.
 
The few news articles I found about this just sensationalize it. It’s likely a big nothing burger. They were very likely shot when they weren’t illegal to hunt or endanger and likely can’t be sold, or whoever is managing the estate doesn’t know what to do with the trophies. That’s probably why there are not more news articles about it. Just another media lie.
 
Pretty cool stuff. I'm going to guess a lot of the mounts and ivory came from the 86 year old man's hunting travels, maybe even his father. Wealthy family, 100 year of hunting trophies.

Off topic. We have a cat head mounted at our hunt camp. My uncle has owned it for 50+ years. I think it's a snow leopard, Not sure but it's old.

Always fun to tell non hunters we shot it in the bush here in N Ontario ha
 
"I;ll Buy that for a Dollar" They should put the 'owner' of those Taxidermied animals in a 'Running Man' situ. ..but with Tigers & Bears, crocs roaming free. :)
 
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