Random Idea To Combat Straw Purchases

How about they actually put people in jail that go around carrying illegal firearms.

I have a friend who’s daughter was going out with this punk kid 18 years old.
He threatened someone with a handgun.
No, he didn’t have an RPAL or authorization to transport.
It was an illegally purchased pistol.
He gets arrested and caught with the pistol on him.
He’s out the next day,
Gets another gun and threatened someone else. He’s obviously not too bright.
Gets arrested again but held this time.
They hold him for 1 year and since it counts for triple he got time served for the first offense.

She ditched the loser so she doesn’t know of what became of the second charge.
 
If you want to test a theory about straw purchases, just go out and buy 2 or more handguns of all the same model with no variations and see what happens. I’m sure it won’t be long before you get a call.
Straw purchases although rare do happen.
 
mac100 said:
If you want to test a theory about straw purchases, just go out and buy 2 or more handguns of all the same model with no variations and see what happens. I’m sure it won’t be long before you get a call.
Straw purchases although rare do happen.
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Buying pairs of cowboy action revolvers is fairly common.
I also know someone who has had at least 6 Colt Pythons at the same time with 4 being 6” Royal Blue.

Then again revolver people are a strange bunch.
 
Classic_Cool said:
One of the supposed bones the govt has to pick with us is the notion that licensed gun owners are turning around and selling guns to criminals.

Now, when I got licensed, it was made clear to me that the RCMP could come and inspect my collection with 24 hours notice if they ever desired. To date, that has never happened, and I doubt it's happened to you either. Hypothetically, I could probably have sold my entire collection and they'd never know it until after I'm dead. I'm guessing they just don't have the manpower for such activities, not that I was looking forward to it or anything.

So what about this: Once a year you get a notice from the CFO saying they want to verify a random handgun in your possession. You bring it to the range, to the gun store, to the police station, whatever is most practical for the region you live in, and the authorized representative just snaps a picture of it and verifies the presence of a serial number. Done.

They'll have verified you didn't sell it to a gang, and they can stop bellyaching about straw purchases when it comes time to ban guns.
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The government has a lot of notions... most of them are asinine....
 
thump_rrr said:
Buying pairs of cowboy action revolvers is fairly common.
I also know someone who has had at least 6 Colt Pythons at the same time with 4 being 6” Royal Blue.

Then again revolver people are a strange bunch.
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True but not exactly gangster guns. Buy 6 Glocks and I’m sure the call will come. If not then they really suck or maybe just want these straw purchases to happen so they can blame the rest of us.
 
Or they could scrap the license all together and hire more staff to conduct background checks for every, formerly restricted purchase.. when they aren't checking databases, maybe they could arrest a smuggler or two?
 
Breathalyzer interlocks in every car and motorized vehicle to stop impaired drivers and drop BAC laws to 0 .. save more Ives that way.. but noone wants that, so why are you worried about straw purchases that are barely a thing and more related to junkies desperate for money than to people actually thinking about buying and selling guns.
 
I'll be the Devil's Advocate here: 3 people in BC were arrested/charged/convicted (don't quote me on that last one) of "straw purchasing," from 2016 to present. At least the ones that were publicized. I think one person had 39 restricted firearms registered to said person, and none of them were found in their residence during a search.

I understand they're still extremely small numbers compared to what's coming over the border, but the fact that there are some poor saps being in situations where they're vulnerable enough to be coerced into buying firearms for criminals/diverting to crime is unfortunate. It's causing an overshadowing of the real issues of smuggling.

From an interesting standpoint, it's actually the same issue with the opioid crisis when illegal heroin fell out of favour of people getting physicians to write prescriptions for them or other diversion means. It's illegal to own a prescription drug or controlled drug (any opioid) in Canada unless you are exempted, one of said exemptions being that that drug is prescribed to you by a healthcare professional. Of course, not like the government has a task force to deal with that, rather we're decriminalizing simple possession instead of pumping money into social programs and mental health.


It's stupid that we have to prove ourselves time and time again, but I personally would be more than okay with just reporting that my stuff isn't stolen every year than to have umbrella legislation not allowing us to buy and sell and own stuff. (Yes I know, give an inch, etc etc. My thoughts are that since we clearly can't get this Bill dissolved, hopefully the statistics will show that crime either has risen or not decreased, and then we can say screw you to the Libs)
 
If we have a registry to combat this, Permission slips for use of these firearms and 99% of their use is range toys, why are we entertaining the idea of any compromise?

12.6 is an absolute joke of a classification. All handguns should be restricted at worst. Consistency is the medicine of the rational.

All firearms are tools unless used otherwise.
 
How about prosecuting to the fullest extent of the law instead as a deterrent those that illegally sell guns.
 
You know there are 380,000 handgun owners so if there are 250 working days in a year that would be over 1400 verification a day. So how many people are they going to hire to verify these 1400 verifications. Heck they only contact 10 % of the references
 
Classic_Cool said:
One of the supposed bones the govt has to pick with us is the notion that licensed gun owners are turning around and selling guns to criminals.

Now, when I got licensed, it was made clear to me that the RCMP could come and inspect my collection with 24 hours notice if they ever desired. To date, that has never happened, and I doubt it's happened to you either. Hypothetically, I could probably have sold my entire collection and they'd never know it until after I'm dead. I'm guessing they just don't have the manpower for such activities, not that I was looking forward to it or anything.

So what about this: Once a year you get a notice from the CFO saying they want to verify a random handgun in your possession. You bring it to the range, to the gun store, to the police station, whatever is most practical for the region you live in, and the authorized representative just snaps a picture of it and verifies the presence of a serial number. Done.

They'll have verified you didn't sell it to a gang, and they can stop bellyaching about straw purchases when it comes time to ban guns.
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Why not inspect the people with firearm prohibition orders instead?
 
thump_rrr said:
How about they actually put people in jail that go around carrying illegal firearms.
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How about put people in jail for threatening others?
The gun is not relevant. There should be no such thing as an "illegal" gun, as it would be exactly identical to one that government has graciously given permission to exist.

thump_rrr said:
I have a friend who’s daughter was going out with this punk kid 18 years old.
He threatened someone with a handgun.
No, he didn’t have an RPAL or authorization to transport.
It was an illegally purchased pistol.
He gets arrested and caught with the pistol on him.
He’s out the next day,
Gets another gun and threatened someone else. He’s obviously not too bright.
Gets arrested again but held this time.
They hold him for 1 year and since it counts for triple he got time served for the first offense.

She ditched the loser so she doesn’t know of what became of the second charge.
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The loser of course should be punished for threatening. The gun is not the relevant thing.
Would it make any difference if he threatened with a knife or a baseball bat? Or a cup full of acid to throw?

By having disdain for "illegal" guns, you are acknowledging that gun control is legitimate and needed.
 
sillymike said:
Why not inspect the people with firearm prohibition orders instead?
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Pretty much this and only this... repeat offenders are a big problem as well...

Govt is great at useless bureaucracy that does nothing to actually address the root cause of the issue...

Another red herring is the "domestic violence" argument... plenty of laws exist to address this when reported but it has to be reported... once it is and the police don't do anything then thats a bit of different story.
 
When there are no laws restricting the purchase of firearms there can be no “straw purchases.”

Repeal all laws/regulations restricting the purchase of firearms - “problem” solved!
 
thump_rrr said:
I am talking within the framework of current laws.
I am a realist.
Handgun registration began in 1934 which is nearly 90 years ago.
It will never be abolished, so I will pick my battles.
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and it led to exactly where we are.. registration leading to confiscation.

nice battle you picked..the lost one
 
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