Cowboy Action Revolvers

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I would like to pick up a pair of revolvers for cowboy action.

I unfortunately don’t have time this summer to go attend a match, so am asking for advice on what is common.

Is 357mag okay, or is 45LC preferred?

Are fixed sites necessary or will adjustable be okay?

I’ve read a ton of different rules and classes and it seems very much like IPSC (but with hats & chaps) but unfortunately the liberals haven’t given us time to properly evaluate these decisions.
 
Hello,
We shoot down in Taber every other Wednesday evening from about 5-8pm. It’s a bit of a drive but always happy to have new people show up and we can rig you up with a borrowed set of gear to try out. We have shooters with .357, 41 mag, 44 mag, and 45 LC. No issues with any of them. We don’t get too fussy on the sights here. As long as you’re not running something way out of spec, it’s welcome.
Send me a PM if you want more details.
Cheers
SF1
 
Get a .357 but shoot .38 special. Easy recoil and much cheaper. Just as much fun. Spring for Ruger Vaqueros. You won't be disappointed. Chaps not required, but if you go for chaps make sure to wear pants. Lol
 
HOWDY; since these may be forever guns- most cowboy shoot 357 cal with 38 special ammo with 125 grain or less lead bullets at 600 plus feet per second. It is a speed coemption.
Cost is the other factor. Fixed sight are most common or needed in many categories. But age based categories allow adjustable sights, as I can use these for other events at the club and more useful to me for old eyes and weak hands or various loads and bullet weights. If you have the cash and desire for many guns in the current liberal crime spree have at ER.
44-40 are only used mostly by black powder shooters, 3%. 45 colt by a few and then they try to load 160 grain bullets to compete with the 38 shooters.
The cost of brass is going stupid for 45, 44, brass and try to get 1000 pieces of 41 brass, now that is funney .
 
Thanks guys. SF1 - I will send you a PM, thanks for the offer!

Looks like I’m in the market for a pair of .357 vaqueros or Blackhawk’s.

My other revolvers are in 38/357 and I have the reloading dies already so that would be convenient if that works.

Blackhawks seem like a more forever gun with the adjustable sites, but those vaqueros are very authentic!
 
I just bought a Blackhawk 9/38/357 and a Pietta 45 SAA clone (never shot cowboy action but want to someday) that was half the price of the Blackhawk, and man I must say I simply like the feel, weight, point ability and looks of the Pietta a lot more.

Everyone online seems to favour the Ruger's though.
 
I just bought a Blackhawk 9/38/357 and a Pietta 45 SAA clone (never shot cowboy action but want to someday) that was half the price of the Blackhawk, and man I must say I simply like the feel, weight, point ability and looks of the Pietta a lot more.

Everyone online seems to favour the Ruger's though.

Rugers tend to run longer without breakage. If you're going to compete and shoot a lot, you WILL break things. Rugers break less. I prefer Colts, but they aren't as strong as the Rugers. - dan
 
Dan Belisle is spot on. Cowboy action guns see a lot of hard use over the course of a single year. So, they must be reliable and able to handle the abuse. That's why most serious competitors favour Rugers. The New Vaquero being a very popular choice. Though I also see a fair number of Blackhawks at matches. Either revolver will be very durable and strongly built. So, a pair of these will last a very long time without serious issues. But, they are pricey, compared to either Uberti or Pietta. May not be an issue....but worth mentioning.

Uberti and Pietta are also well made revolvers. Plenty of these on the cowboy action scene, too. Of the two brands, I own and prefer Pietta. I don't run these as often as my Ruger Vaqueros, but fairly frequently. No issues, so far. Took very little tweaking to get them running at competitive level. Piettas are closer to original Colt revolvers than their Uberti counterparts...especially internally. Also feel very similar....at least to me. Very well balanced and point naturally. The 4 3/4" barreled versions in particular(like mine) being very fast, in and out of the holster. Also lighter than the Rugers. So if you can find a pair of these in your caliber of choice, run them with confidence.

Vicious pretty much sums up the rest, in his advice.

Al

ps: When I got into cowboy action, I'd also been loading and shooting .357/.38 for many years....so the decision was an easy one.
 
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Dan Belisle is spot on. Cowboy action guns see a lot of hard use over the course of a single year. So, they must be reliable and able to handle the abuse. That's why most serious competitors favour Rugers. The New Vaquero being a very popular choice. Though I also see a fair number of Blackhawks at matches. Either revolver will be very durable and strongly built. So, a pair of these will last a very long time without serious issues. But, they are pricey, compared to either Uberti or Pietta. May not be an issue....but worth mentioning.

Uberti and Pietta are also well made revolvers. Plenty of these on the cowboy action scene, too. Of the two brands, I own and prefer Pietta. I don't run these as often as my Ruger Vaqueros, but fairly frequently. No issues, so far. Took very little tweaking to get them running at competitive level. Piettas are closer to original Colt revolvers than their Uberti counterparts...especially internally. Also feel very similar....at least to me. Very well balanced and point naturally. The 4 3/4" barreled versions in particular(like mine) being very fast, in and out of the holster. Also lighter than the Rugers. So if you can find a pair of these in your caliber of choice, run them with confidence.

Vicious pretty much sums up the rest, in his advice.

Al

ps: When I got into cowboy action, I'd also been loading and shooting .357/.38 for many years....so the decision was an easy one.

Do you have any recommendations on the type of spare parts to keep on hand for a Pietta? I see they do sell parts so I should probably stock up.

Also, when you refer to cowboy action running the guns hard, how many rounds per year are we talking about? I probably won't be a "serious" competitor, so much as it sounds like a fun excuse to make things go bang while Larping.
 
cattabliss: Since my guns see frequent use, I like to keep pretty much a full set of replacement parts on hand. Especially those small internal parts that either break, wear, or get lost easily. Which includes a full set of screws, ie: back strap/frame, trigger guard, hammer and trigger pivots, etc.

If anything will go missing....screws are usually the first. So it's always a good idea to have extra.

Next: Springs. Main spring. Bolt/trigger return spring. Hand spring.*

* I like to keep several of these on hand at all times. It is very easy to pinch and damage these little springs against the frame, when re-attaching the grip back strap. So be sure to include several in your parts kit.

It bears mentioning that most...if not all... new Pietta Model 1873 reproduction revolvers, feature a coil spring loaded plunger to maintain tension on the hand. Similar to Ruger revolvers. A very smart move by Pietta, in my view.
Some older models may still have the older leaf spring type attached to the hand. If your revolver has one of these, be sure to have several replacements. The leaf spring is prone to breakage. The new coil spring/ plunger arrangement though, is very reliable.

Not super critical, but always nice to have on hand: Replacement hand. Cylinder locking bolt. Ejector spring. Firing pin. The list can go on, but that pretty much covers it.

I highly recommend swapping out the stock bolt/trigger return spring( twin lobed leaf spring), for an aftermarket replacement wire spring. The stock spring(Copied from the original 19th century Colt revolver design), is prone to breakage....usually at the worst possible time. Like in the middle of a major match! The wire springs are far more reliable and very durable. The replacement spring can be ordered through Rusty Wood Trading. Very easy to install.

Parts, I generally order through VTI Gun Parts. No problem shipping to Canada. Also: Rusty Wood.

As for what defines "hard" use....that will depend on how much a person shoots. Plus how often. Difficult to estimate an overall total but, an "average" shooter might go through anywhere from 100-200 rounds per month. Possibly more, depending on how much live fire practice is included. For many "serious" competitors though, rounds expended can easily run into the multiple thousands per year. Including competition and training.

Depending on where a person lives, it is entirely possible to attend one or more matches a month...year round. In the busy summer season...one or two a week. Factor in practice time. The tally soon adds up.

Competition guns also get run at near maximum speed all the time...far in excess of what they would endure under "normal" conditions. They take a beating and see plenty of wear and tear. So having a selection of critical parts on hand, is essential.

But, if a person maintains their guns regularly, they will run reliably for a very long time. Pietta revolvers being no exception.

Hope some of this helps. Al
 
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I run a pair of 7.5” 357 Blackhawks which are perfectly fine for use under SASS rules. There are several clubs around here that run matches but they generally classify based on shooting style, traditional, gunfighter, and duelest. Most dont even worry about age classification either. They are club level and are more or less just for fun. From my experience adjustable sights don’t have any real advantage over fixed when shooting on the clock at 5-10 yards. I bought my revolvers 10 years ago when the price wasn’t all that different between the Vaqueros and the Blackhawks. I don’t regret my purchase, and now find other guns feel off in comparison. I normally shoot duelest or gunfighter. Im not great at the latter but find I shoot for myself versus try to win.
 
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IanC: I regularly see fellow shooters with Blackhawks, too. I fully agree....the adjustable sights are good for obtaining perfect point of aim. But offer no real advantage at cowboy action distances. Consistent grip, draw, sight picture and front sight acquisition, are more important. Otherwise, they are perfectly suitable for the game. Also, not as pricey as the Vaqueros.

Yours is also the best advice: "Shoot for myself versus try to win." Words to live by.

Al
 
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cattabliss: Since my guns see frequent use, I like to keep pretty much a full set of replacement parts on hand. Especially those small internal parts that either break, wear, or get lost easily. Which includes a full set of screws, ie: back strap/frame, trigger guard, hammer and trigger pivots, etc.

If anything will go missing....screws are usually the first. So it's always a good idea to have extra.

Next: Springs. Main spring. Bolt/trigger return spring. Hand spring.*

* I like to keep several of these on hand at all times. It is very easy to pinch and damage these little springs against the frame, when re-attaching the grip back strap. So be sure to include several in your parts kit.

It bears mentioning that most...if not all... new Pietta Model 1873 reproduction revolvers, feature a coil spring loaded plunger to maintain tension on the hand. Similar to Ruger revolvers. A very smart move by Pietta, in my view.
Some older models may still have the older leaf spring type attached to the hand. If your revolver has one of these, be sure to have several replacements. The leaf spring is prone to breakage. The new coil spring/ plunger arrangement though, is very reliable.

Not super critical, but always nice to have on hand: Replacement hand. Cylinder locking bolt. Ejector spring. Firing pin. The list can go on, but that pretty much covers it.

I highly recommend swapping out the stock bolt/trigger return spring( twin lobed leaf spring), for an aftermarket replacement wire spring. The stock spring(Copied from the original 19th century Colt revolver design), is prone to breakage....usually at the worst possible time. Like in the middle of a major match! The wire springs are far more reliable and very durable. The replacement spring can be ordered through Rusty Wood Trading. Very easy to install.

Parts, I generally order through VTI Gun Parts. No problem shipping to Canada. Also: Rusty Wood.

As for what defines "hard" use....that will depend on how much a person shoots. Plus how often. Difficult to estimate an overall total but, an "average" shooter might go through anywhere from 100-200 rounds per month. Possibly more, depending on how much live fire practice is included. For many "serious" competitors though, rounds expended can easily run into the multiple thousands per year. Including competition and training.

Depending on where a person lives, it is entirely possible to attend one or more matches a month...year round. In the busy summer season...one or two a week. Factor in practice time. The tally soon adds up.

Competition guns also get run at near maximum speed all the time...far in excess of what they would endure under "normal" conditions. They take a beating and see plenty of wear and tear. So having a selection of critical parts on hand, is essential.

But, if a person maintains their guns regularly, they will run reliably for a very long time. Pietta revolvers being no exception.

Hope some of this helps. Al

Thanks a bunch for the advice! I am about an hours drive from Rusty Wood and I'm quickly learning they are more than just a general reloading store! I was looking at Marstar also as one option to order parts, they told me they are the main Pietta distributor in Canada and seem to have had parts in stock at least in the past. Maybe I can ask to order some.

I live in the Lower Mainland of BC so probably not as many events as some places but there should be a few. Where do you recommend I look for lists of clubs?

I saw Rusty Wood's owner might run a club but it seems they haven't done any events in a while, though there was COVID so that might be why.

At the high end I don't see myself shooting more than a few hundred rounds during months when there's an event since I don't plan to focus my shooting time solely on sass: other guns need love too!

Thank you for taking the time to share.
 
I would like to pick up a pair of revolvers for cowboy action.
Is 357mag okay, or is 45LC preferred?

I recently had this same dilemma & went with 45 Colt in my revolvers. Marstar had an almost matching (save for grips & triggers which I can change) pair of 1873 Pietta SA revolvers with 4&3/4" barrels at very reasonable prices, $560 & $575 IIRC, so I grabbed them. No idea when I will get them because the Ontario CFO is so understaffed with only TWO employees completing transfers!

Because my revolvers were in 45 Colt, I then grabbed a 1873 Winchester in 45 Colt from The Gun Dealer. It was in their used section but listed "as new" & when it arrived it appeared unfired. Saved $700 there!

And over to Prophet River where I found a pistol gripped 12ga Huglu SxS coach gun with external hammers... Waiting for that one to arrive...

If there weren't shortages of EVERYTHING, I might have gone 357 & shot 38 as others mentioned. I also might have waited to pick up my shotgun for CAS, but the next shipments of firearms are going to be quite a bit more expensive from what everyone is forecasting...

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cattabliss: For info on cowboy action in your area, simply go to the Rusty Wood Trading website. At the bottom of the page, you will find a link to area cowboy action clubs. Including: The Red Mountain Renegades.
It bears mentioning that Rusty(Peter) is also an active cowboy action competitor. He can certainly offer sound advice on all aspects of the sport.

Al

ps: By the way, whether you shoot 100 rounds a year, or 10,000 rounds, as long as you're having a good time, that's all that matters. The cowboy action community has some of the nicest, friendliest, most generous folks you will ever meet. By far, the best part of the sport is just being in such good company.
"Come for the shooting. Stay for the people".
 
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Jay: The big Colt cartridge is always a good choice. I also have a Miroku-Winchester '73 in my battery. Excellent build quality. Competition ready, right out of the box. These rifles can be slicked up to run with the big dogs, with very little effort. My short-stroked Uberti's still edge the Winchester rifle out a bit in speed. But not by much. With a 4th or 5th generation short stroke installed, the race would be pretty equal, I believe.


Al
 
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Jay: The big Colt cartridge is always a good choice. I also have a Miroku-Winchester '73 in my battery. Excellent build quality. Competition ready, right out of the box. These rifles can be slicked up to run with the big dogs, with very little effort. My short-stroked Uberti's still edge the Winchester rifle out a bit in speed. But not by much. With a 4th or 5th generation short stroke installed, the race would be pretty equal, I believe.
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Al

I have to admit to being VERY impressed with the Miroku made Winchester. Slick right out of the box!

Cheers
Jay
 
Jay: This may be of interest:

I was equally impressed with the Miroku-Winchester 1873. One of the few things I didn't like about the rifle though, was its stiff lever safety spring. Slix Springs now has a reduced tension lever safety spring, that will reduce a lot of the effort needed to fully close the lever when firing. I modified the stock spring in mine to reduce tension, so it closes nearly as easily as my Uberti's. But this option is very timely.
So... still on the fence on whether I'll still purchase one, or not. Likely will in the near future. Once the busy summer shooting season slows down a bit.
Also, though the tiny bead on the front sight worked very well for precision accuracy....I found it hard to acquire easily, at speed. To cure this, I simply installed a Pioneer Gun Works speed sight, featuring a larger, more easily seen bead. A few other minor tweaks, and the rifle runs slick and fast.

Al
 
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BEFORE you spend any money, down load the SASS manuals, find out which category that you are interested in. Some categories require specific firearms, specific belt & holster, specific ammunition, specific clothing. Spend your money only ONCE, spend it wisely. After you have read the manuals attend a couple of matches, ask questions, after the stages are finished for the day, ask people if you can try some of their gear. Cowboys are a friendly bunch, and many will offer their firearms to try. By reading the manuals first, your questions will always be more well thought out and the responses you want will better answer your questions. Asking what is the best revolver/rifle/shotgun depends largely which category you choose. Without knowing the category, asking the question which is the best firearm is a waste of time.
Also keep in mind that not all clubs are affiliated with SASS, but most pay lip service to their safety rules. Personally, for your first choice of leather you buy once you have your category chosen, I would not spend the family fortune at the beginning. Most shooters getting into the sport after a couple of matches decide that their original choices don't suit their personal style of shooting.
There is a very active Cowboy Action club just south of Claresholm in Granum. At their match last week there was over 65 competitors. Read first, decide you category that interests you and you will be able to ask more detailed questions, then spend your money.
 
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