Who is still shooting the Modern sporter

Painkillers said:
It would invariably involve police my guy.
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I get that, and I'm not asking these questions to be difficult, I'm just curious how this could happen.

So you are shooting, legally, as you typically would, with non-restricted firearms. What would prompt a police visit whilst shooting restricted firearms vs no police visit whilst shooting non-restricted?
 
Unfortunately, the only way to test a vague law in Canada is to have it brought it front of a judge, that can only happen if charges are laid following an arrest and subsequent confiscation.
 
Bfranklin said:
I get that, and I'm not asking these questions to be difficult, I'm just curious how this could happen.

So you are shooting, legally, as you typically would, with non-restricted firearms. What would prompt a police visit whilst shooting restricted firearms vs no police visit whilst shooting non-restricted?
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The only possibility is if youre at a range and a cop ,who’s there shooting,asks what you got,
I know you don’t have to SFA but that won’t help matters.

So you show him a copy of the FRT and from there it should end up with the crown, who will then determine if charges are warranted.
I know they got illegally added to some BS list buts here’s the kicker.
The manufacturer will not make or sell these, so it’s gonna seem like they must be prohibited.
 
Bfranklin said:
I get that, and I'm not asking these questions to be difficult, I'm just curious how this could happen.

So you are shooting, legally, as you typically would, with non-restricted firearms. What would prompt a police visit whilst shooting restricted firearms vs no police visit whilst shooting non-restricted?
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{Exhales} I thought you were trolling me. If your municipality allows firearm discharge, that isn't the end of it. If you were habitually shooting in your backyard (back 40 whatever) and that function was pissing your neighbours off (I don't care where you are, you'll have neighbours), and they call the police to file what they claim is a nuisance noise complaint, or god forbid an errant round ends up striking someone's house/ shed/ what have you...either way the police are called and are at your door. They are trying to ascertain what's going on, you admit to shooting, cause you can. The cops say on a Sunday though? Your neighbours are complaining or, they've received complaints. You tell them to fu<k off your property and stop bothering you. "Fu<k off the property eh?" "Fu<k me, eh, how about FU<K YOU!?" is rolling around Constable what's his name's head.

They leave, but they aren't gone for long. They ask the compaintant when you've been shooting (cause that's important). They're told, "every goddamn Sunday! Drives my dogs nuts, scares my kids. He's out there with all kinds of guns, some are louder than others, he's out Wednesdays and most Friday's as well." They take their notes, and talk to their superiors.

This information, coupled with your attitude, is relayed to those superiors who recommend an arrest warrant be issued as well as a warrant related to the storage of ammunition and firearms at your home. Your RPAL info is accessed.

On a particular Friday that they choose, invariably the one where you've had a particularly hard work week so you choose to blow off some steam with a few whiskeys and some .45 acp and 1911 fun and that's when all sh1t hits the fan. There's booze on your breath, you've been shooting a restricted firearm on an unregulated range (regular use/ they predicted when you'd be shooting from the complaint) and they are going through your house looking for what's registered, what's not, how everything is stored, ammo, the works. They're asking your wife accessibility questions...the whole 9 yards.

Are you going to be arrested? I don't know, you tell me? I can tell you this much though, if they were to go through with all that, and they could, they are perfectly authorized to do so, I would almost guarantee you that your backyard "range sessions" would be coming to a close via a judge's ruling. Whether you get your guns back after the confiscations would be up to the judge I would assume?

When you own guns, it just doesn't pay to be a richard. And when talking about restricted firearms there is a nuance regarding an unregulated "range". One could fall foul of the law.
 
the coppers can't just got into the frt and say this is "prohibited." apparently the government makes the laws and not the coppers.

that's like coppers going into the federal acts database and making all certain cars, clothing, etc, they don't like "prohibited."

thats called a police state and what they did with tampering with the frt is illegal. I hope ATRS win their lawsuit.
 
jeepking said:
Since the rifle is in a grey area. Wondering who's still shooting them. Also any conflict or interest at the range. Still shooting my buddies but not as much as we would like

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My friend shoot his at the Club. Lucky bastard !! Lol ! You can see all shooters looking at it dreaming of shooting their AR..me too.
Only guns listed on the IOC are not accepted since this is legally binding. FRT is not law.
The Club don’t play hard ass..it just have to be legal….nobody care about the FRT really..most shooters don’t even know what the FRT is…or give a sxxt about it.

Lucky you !!!
 
Painkillers said:
{Exhales} I thought you were trolling me. If your municipality allows firearm discharge, that isn't the end of it. If you were habitually shooting in your backyard (back 40 whatever) and that function was pissing your neighbours off (I don't care where you are, you'll have neighbours), and they call the police to file what they claim is a nuisance noise complaint, or god forbid an errant round ends up striking someone's house/ shed/ what have you...either way the police are called and are at your door. They are trying to ascertain what's going on, you admit to shooting, cause you can. The cops say on a Sunday though? Your neighbours are complaining or, they've received complaints. You tell them to fu<k off your property and stop bothering you. "Fu<k off the property eh?" "Fu<k me, eh, how about FU<K YOU!?" is rolling around Constable what's his name's head.

They leave, but they aren't gone for long. They ask the compaintant when you've been shooting (cause that's important). They're told, "every goddamn Sunday! Drives my dogs nuts, scares my kids. He's out there with all kinds of guns, some are louder than others, he's out Wednesdays and most Friday's as well." They take their notes, and talk to their superiors.

This information, coupled with your attitude, is relayed to those superiors who recommend an arrest warrant be issued as well as a warrant related to the storage of ammunition and firearms at your home. Your RPAL info is accessed.

On a particular Friday that they choose, invariably the one where you've had a particularly hard work week so you choose to blow off some steam with a few whiskeys and some .45 acp and 1911 fun and that's when all sh1t hits the fan. There's booze on your breath, you've been shooting a restricted firearm on an unregulated range (regular use/ they predicted when you'd be shooting from the complaint) and they are going through your house looking for what's registered, what's not, how everything is stored, ammo, the works. They're asking your wife accessibility questions...the whole 9 yards.

Are you going to be arrested? I don't know, you tell me? I can tell you this much though, if they were to go through with all that, and they could, they are perfectly authorized to do so, I would almost guarantee you that your backyard "range sessions" would be coming to a close via a judge's ruling. Whether you get your guns back after the confiscations would be up to the judge I would assume?

When you own guns, it just doesn't pay to be a richard. And when talking about restricted firearms there is a nuance regarding an unregulated "range". One could fall foul of the law.
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That's a pretty cool fan fiction.
 
rommelrommel said:
Yeah, that's completely comparable. Fortunately I'm not diverting guns to criminals or pulling guns on cops.
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The "diverting guns to criminals" hasn't been proven.

You actually think he pulled that gun, the one he knew didn't even work, and he knew was unloaded without so much as a magazine in it? Do you really? Or, do you think he had it in his hand when the cops kicked in the door guns drawn? ("Police, search warrant, hands up...drop the gun!" Boofph, Boofph, Boofph, Boofph, Boofph")

Who was the guy who was the "customer"? No one in our community seems to know who is is.
It was his interview (4 months after the fact) that corroborated the police's version of events.
https://siu.on.ca/en/directors_report_details.php?drid=1856
 
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Or, do you think he had it in his hand when the cops kicked in the door guns drawn? ("Police, search warrant, hands up...drop the gun!" Boofph, Boofph, Boofph, Boofph, Boofph")
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I'll take option three.

Gun placed in his hand after the fact.
 
Painkillers said:
The "diverting guns to criminals" hasn't been proven.
You actually think he pulled that gun, the one he knew didn't even work, and he knew was unloaded without so much as a magazine in it? Do you really? Or, do you think he had it in his hand when the cops kicked in the door guns drawn? ("Police, search warrant, hands up...drop the gun!" Boofph, Boofph, Boofph, Boofph, Boofph")

Who was the guy who was the "customer"? No one in our community seems to know who is is.
It was his interview (4 months after the fact) that corroborated the police's version of events.
https://siu.on.ca/en/directors_report_details.php?drid=1856
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Yeah, I think it's likely he did. Guy tried to make some extra money and realized the game was up. Grabbed a gun so he'd get shot and not go to prison.
 
rommelrommel said:
Yeah, I think it's likely he did. Guy tried to make some extra money and realized the game was up. Grabbed a gun so he'd get shot and not go to prison.
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So, you think a guy in his seventies needed a few extra bucks?

Why only 5 or 6? May as well go for broke , no?

The only diff between 5 and 1000 is 4,999,970.

I don’t think he was that dumb..
 
45C said:
So, you think a guy in his seventies needed a few extra bucks?

Why only 5 or 6? May as well go for broke , no?

The only diff between 5 and 1000 is 4,999,970.

I don’t think he was that dumb..
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My experience with people suggests that you can never underestimate how dumb someone is, especially when you don’t know anything about them.

How do you figure his guns had the markings milled off and made their way to criminals?

I’d like to think that gun owners aren’t sometimes ####bags, but I know it’s not true.
 
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