Who is still shooting the Modern sporter

rommelrommel said:
My experience with people suggests that you can never underestimate how dumb someone is, especially when you don’t know anything about them.

How do you figure his guns had the markings milled off and made their way to criminals?

I’d like to think that gun owners aren’t sometimes ####bags, but I know it’s not true.
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I didn’t know that was actually proven to be true.

Gun owners are no different than anyone else, Doctors,Lawyers,Teachers,Clergy and yes, cops have all been found guilty of worst crimes.All scumbags, but they were found guilty, not executed over a few bucks.

And let’s not use the suicide by cop theory, it just don’t add up.

Anyway it’s just water under the bridge now,we’ll never know what really happened.
 
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Thought this was a thread about the Modern Sporter, would be nice if we stayed on track rather than turning every thread into a Liberal bashing conspiracy theory fest......
 
55recce said:
Thought this was a thread about the Modern Sporter, would be nice if we stayed on track rather than turning every thread into a Liberal bashing conspiracy theory fest......
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How would that be possible. After all the libranos gave us C68, and prohibited Ar's and Ak's which created the Kanadian "not a variant" industry. There is no possibility of firearms discussion in Kanada not becoming political.
 
Painkillers said:
{Exhales} I thought you were trolling me. If your municipality allows firearm discharge, that isn't the end of it. If you were habitually shooting in your backyard (back 40 whatever) and that function was pissing your neighbours off (I don't care where you are, you'll have neighbours), and they call the police to file what they claim is a nuisance noise complaint, or god forbid an errant round ends up striking someone's house/ shed/ what have you...either way the police are called and are at your door. They are trying to ascertain what's going on, you admit to shooting, cause you can. The cops say on a Sunday though? Your neighbours are complaining or, they've received complaints. You tell them to fu<k off your property and stop bothering you. "Fu<k off the property eh?" "Fu<k me, eh, how about FU<K YOU!?" is rolling around Constable what's his name's head.

They leave, but they aren't gone for long. They ask the compaintant when you've been shooting (cause that's important). They're told, "every goddamn Sunday! Drives my dogs nuts, scares my kids. He's out there with all kinds of guns, some are louder than others, he's out Wednesdays and most Friday's as well." They take their notes, and talk to their superiors.

This information, coupled with your attitude, is relayed to those superiors who recommend an arrest warrant be issued as well as a warrant related to the storage of ammunition and firearms at your home. Your RPAL info is accessed.

On a particular Friday that they choose, invariably the one where you've had a particularly hard work week so you choose to blow off some steam with a few whiskeys and some .45 acp and 1911 fun and that's when all sh1t hits the fan. There's booze on your breath, you've been shooting a restricted firearm on an unregulated range (regular use/ they predicted when you'd be shooting from the complaint) and they are going through your house looking for what's registered, what's not, how everything is stored, ammo, the works. They're asking your wife accessibility questions...the whole 9 yards.

Are you going to be arrested? I don't know, you tell me? I can tell you this much though, if they were to go through with all that, and they could, they are perfectly authorized to do so, I would almost guarantee you that your backyard "range sessions" would be coming to a close via a judge's ruling. Whether you get your guns back after the confiscations would be up to the judge I would assume?

When you own guns, it just doesn't pay to be a richard. And when talking about restricted firearms there is a nuance regarding an unregulated "range". One could fall foul of the law.
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Ok while the situation you just described is possible, it's incredibly unlikely it would play out like that.

An arrest warrant for what by all appearances is legal discharge of firearms? And which RPAL holder is that big of an #######?
Seriously, I know many, and all are decent people who 1) aren't the type to knowingly and continuously piss off neighbors, and 2) aren't #######s to cops.

I remain skeptical.
 
Bfranklin said:
Ok while the situation you just described is possible, it's incredibly unlikely it would play out like that.

An arrest warrant for what by all appearances is legal discharge of firearms? And which RPAL holder is that big of an #######?
Seriously, I know many, and all are decent people who 1) aren't the type to knowingly and continuously piss off neighbors, and 2) aren't #######s to cops.

I remain skeptical.
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What you're not understanding is it has nothing to do with you, or the shooter. The police will form their own narrative of what's going on and how to react to it. Totally beyond your control. In the case of Rodger, they decided a "soft" warrant was how they would conduct themselves. (The fact that tactical and non-uniforms were present is interesting if they ever truly intended the "soft" approach?) They asked his wife who was carrying groceries into the house, "where's Rodger". She told them in the garage. The "soft" warrant service box was apparently checked when they talked to the wife, 'cause they kicked in the door, yelling with guns drawn and within seconds, firing.
 
This thread got wayyyyy off topic -as been known to happen at times.

I say this because I personally know this from my friend named Mike from Canmore (he runs a Black Rifle Sanctuary) ...

MS guns and receivers have been BOUGHT... USED...and SOLD in Canada since May 2020 OIC.
Mike did exactly this (bought used sold) by the way.

Mike from Canmore logic in point form....trust me .. he is smarter than he looks below

1) An OIC is law (by decree)
2) The OIC listed firearms by name and model.
3) The ATRS Modern Sporter was not listed in the OIC (despite it looking a lot like an AR 15 and having a$$ loads of AR 15 parts)
4) The FRT is not law.
5) The FRT was ham-fistedly changed for the MS from non-restricted to prohibited about 10 days after the OIC

NOTE point #5 is totally moot because point #4 is true (look it up on CFP website if you like).
So that leaves us at point #3... and life is good (in a way....for now) for ATRS MS owners.

However, Mike drew all lot of onlookers who were at the range whenever he pulled his out of the hard case on a busy day...... everyone telling him -erroneously -that he is breaking the law.

My advise.... you will draw attention to yourself (whether its wanted or unwanted) so be prepared.

Keep the barrel over 18.6 inches and the overall (collapsible) length over 26 inches.
Bring a copy of the OIC with you whenever you take it out.

And, this is MY GUESS, if law enforcement (RCMP or otherwise) approach you with it in your possession, then they will likely phone HQ for advice.
The HQ may look it up on their FRT (and decide on the spot) to confiscate it from you.

Now you may have a legal quarrel to get it back.... (maybe more than the cost of the gun itself)

Never forget, you are a LAGO, therefore you are guilty until proven innocent !

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Munkey1973 said:
This thread got wayyyyy off topic -as been known to happen at times.

I say this because I personally know this from my friend named Mike from Canmore (he runs a Black Rifle Sanctuary) ...

MS guns and receivers have been BOUGHT... USED...and SOLD in Canada since May 2020 OIC.
Mike did exactly this (bought used sold) by the way.

Mike from Canmore logic in point form....trust me .. he is smarter than he looks below

1) An OIC is law (by decree)
2) The OIC listed firearms by name and model.
3) The ATRS Modern Sporter was not listed in the OIC (despite it looking a lot like an AR 15 and having a$$ loads of AR 15 parts)
4) The FRT is not law.
5) The FRT was ham-fistedly changed for the MS from non-restricted to prohibited about 10 days after the OIC

NOTE point #5 is totally moot because point #4 is true (look it up on CFP website if you like).
So that leaves us at point #3... and life is good (in a way....for now) for ATRS MS owners.

However, Mike drew all lot of onlookers who were at the range whenever he pulled his out of the hard case on a busy day...... everyone telling him -erroneously -that he is breaking the law.

My advise.... you will draw attention to yourself (whether its wanted or unwanted) so be prepared.

Keep the barrel over 18.6 inches and the overall (collapsible) length over 26 inches.
Bring a copy of the OIC with you whenever you take it out.

And, this is MY GUESS, if law enforcement (RCMP or otherwise) approach you with it in your possession, then they will likely phone HQ for advice.
The HQ may look it up on their FRT (and decide on the spot) to confiscate it from you.

Now you may have a legal quarrel to get it back.... (maybe more than the cost of the gun itself)

Never forget, you are a LAGO, therefore you are guilty until proven innocent !

LejiD7h.jpg
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This is probably the most realistic evaluation of the current situation. Long story short, yes you can - but be prepared to fight a court battle over it. Personally, I don't have that kind of extra cash on tap.
 
Munkey1973 said:
This thread got wayyyyy off topic -as been known to happen at times.

I say this because I personally know this from my friend named Mike from Canmore (he runs a Black Rifle Sanctuary) ...

MS guns and receivers have been BOUGHT... USED...and SOLD in Canada since May 2020 OIC.
Mike did exactly this (bought used sold) by the way.

Mike from Canmore logic in point form....trust me .. he is smarter than he looks below

1) An OIC is law (by decree)
2) The OIC listed firearms by name and model.
3) The ATRS Modern Sporter was not listed in the OIC (despite it looking a lot like an AR 15 and having a$$ loads of AR 15 parts)
4) The FRT is not law.
5) The FRT was ham-fistedly changed for the MS from non-restricted to prohibited about 10 days after the OIC

NOTE point #5 is totally moot because point #4 is true (look it up on CFP website if you like).
So that leaves us at point #3... and life is good (in a way....for now) for ATRS MS owners.

However, Mike drew all lot of onlookers who were at the range whenever he pulled his out of the hard case on a busy day...... everyone telling him -erroneously -that he is breaking the law.

My advise.... you will draw attention to yourself (whether its wanted or unwanted) so be prepared.

Keep the barrel over 18.6 inches and the overall (collapsible) length over 26 inches.
Bring a copy of the OIC with you whenever you take it out.

And, this is MY GUESS, if law enforcement (RCMP or otherwise) approach you with it in your possession, then they will likely phone HQ for advice.
The HQ may look it up on their FRT (and decide on the spot) to confiscate it from you.

Now you may have a legal quarrel to get it back.... (maybe more than the cost of the gun itself)

Never forget, you are a LAGO, therefore you are guilty until proven innocent !

LejiD7h.jpg
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^^^This! Can we sticky this somewhere. The best summary of this thread IMHO.
 
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