Freaking rednecked old timers

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My club is your stereotypical trap club, run by old white men, and to call a spade, the majority are bigots. Hopefully this is localized to my club, but it doubt it.
Almost all of the new interested shooters at my club to come out and try are of Asian/India decent. There’s a new handful every week. None return. Their reception is passively hostile, and they quickly figure out what’s what. It’s easy to spot, the disgruntled tone of the old guys voice and their glaring looks are blatantly obvious. They wait to pounce on any little safety infraction and then act with unnecessary aggression. It’s beyond embarrassing.
It’s not easily addressed without making enemies (which I don’t care about) and it’s darn near impossible to gain ground dealing with a pigheaded majority.
So all you rednecked old timers out there pull your head out of your ***es or hurry up and die so we can try to get memberships up and make shooting enjoyable again. Accept the fact that all of Canada has changed, not just the big cities, and like it or not the future of shotgun sports depends on including everyone.

Thanks for reading.

Are you the same guy that outshot me and my Perazzi with a single shot cooey? If all of us doddering ancient racists die, whose going to keep the trap machines running?
 
Are you the same guy that outshot me and my Perazzi with a single shot cooey? If all of us doddering ancient racists die, whose going to keep the trap machines running?
Is it an android or iOS system??? I’m sure a simple operating system troubleshoot will clear up any malfunctions!
 
My club is your stereotypical trap club, run by old white men, and to call a spade, the majority are bigots. Hopefully this is localized to my club, but it doubt it.
Almost all of the new interested shooters at my club to come out and try are of Asian/India decent. There’s a new handful every week. None return. Their reception is passively hostile, and they quickly figure out what’s what. It’s easy to spot, the disgruntled tone of the old guys voice and their glaring looks are blatantly obvious. They wait to pounce on any little safety infraction and then act with unnecessary aggression. It’s beyond embarrassing.
It’s not easily addressed without making enemies (which I don’t care about) and it’s darn near impossible to gain ground dealing with a pigheaded majority.
So all you rednecked old timers out there pull your head out of your ***es or hurry up and die so we can try to get memberships up and make shooting enjoyable again. Accept the fact that all of Canada has changed, not just the big cities, and like it or not the future of shotgun sports depends on including everyone.

Thanks for reading.

As a old guy , I find you are a AH
You don't say where you are from and I don't care,
but you must be a young guy, why don't you try to fix your club instead of coming here with your crap.
I don't belong to a trap club , but have tried to help a few new shooters , and their color don't mean anything.
 
Ryerson has now come after the shotgunner's who never thought their guns would also be banned.

The words of the great Lutheran Pastor and theologian Martin Niemoller have come to pass. First I came.....
 
Having been a skeet chair, and executive member of multiple clubs, I can't say that I have witnessed any such racist behaviour at any of the clubs that I belonged to. As for over reacting to safety violations, anyone that breaks the safety rules is immediately corrected, regardless of race, and the way they are corrected, depends on the seriousness of the violation, and how they react to being corrected. I have only had to ask one person to leave the field, and it was an old white guy that refused to wear safety glasses, and that went into a tirade and swore at me , when I asked him and his guest to put on safety glasses. If you honestly feel that racism is an issue at your club, then attend a meeting, and bring up your concerns, if you can't be bothered to do that, then you are part of the problem.
 
Having been a skeet chair, and executive member of multiple clubs, I can't say that I have witnessed any such racist behaviour at any of the clubs that I belonged to. As for over reacting to safety violations, anyone that breaks the safety rules is immediately corrected, regardless of race, and the way they are corrected, depends on the seriousness of the violation, and how they react to being corrected. I have only had to ask one person to leave the field, and it was an old white guy that refused to wear safety glasses, and that went into a tirade and swore at me , when I asked him and his guest to put on safety glasses. If you honestly feel that racism is an issue at your club, then attend a meeting, and bring up your concerns, if you can't be bothered to do that, then you are part of the problem.

Totally agree, I have never seen racism as a thing, I have however had altercations with some club members over safety violations such as unattended guns with actions closed on a ceterfire line, loaded guns in racks, eye glasses, hearing protection , poor muzzle control , etc , on rimfire, center fire trap and skeet stations etc.
In every vocal confrontation I was basically labeled as an ignorant old SOB who should mind his own business. Oftentimes it starts with a " and who the HELL do you think you are?" That is answered with " who I am is the RSO on this range . These are the safety rules on this range."
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My experience is that most of the newer members regardless of race just don't know because they have never been shown or are in the dark to a certain degree.Us "old guys" who grew up around gun clubs and there were quite a few when I was younger watched and learned or were instructed by dads ,uncles friends etc.I was a trap boy(yes they had those) in the early 70's and was mentored by many clay shooters on the do's and don'ts and if you did a "don't " you heard about it. Hunting same thing ,muzzle always away treat gun as loaded these were things that were repeated so often it became second nature. The new shooter today shows up from Cabelas with his out of the box pump, cannot remember much of his core if any and is rudely introduced to the don'ts buy some who do not care to take the time to lend some guidance. And yes there will always be the guys that murmer under their breath and talk down to new shooters but they should realize that the club needs new blood to survive and they cannot support it single handed.We all should exhibit some patience and last wednesday I spent time with 2 young hunters trying their auto's out they were hooked by the time they left and now know you go to post 2 after post 1 ,my .02 worth
 
Yup I have also seen that, but it is the same with a driver's exam as well.
At our club anyway, the RSO'S strive to be as curious and helpful as possible, there is a general consensus that we are
mentors as well as RSO'S.
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Well coming from the hills of west virginia I know I am and this dude has no idea what a red neck is and I agree with you 100%

Rednecks do not adopt politically correct speech and are proud to be brutally honest about their feelings . Rednecks like to fight to solve their problems, preferring to beat someone at a street dance than to talk about the problem and solve it diplomatically. Rednecks come to the dinner table barefooted not because they have no shoes, but to specifically sneer at rules. Redneck women smoke cigarettes, chew gum, and wear curlers and put on makeup in public. The redneck rebels against education and against standard English, refusing to speak as others would have him or her speak. Rednecks hunt proudly, take baths only occasionally, and work on old cars in their front yard. Rednecks are characterized by excess; they eat too much, drink too much, smoke too much, play too hard, and live too hard. The outsider’s perception of all these things differentiates the redneck from the always correct, high class educated entitled fools that cry when they get a stink eye.

I say wipe your tears and pull up your panties and get to know the old boys

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Rednecks probably have more in common with most recent immigrants then the average "karen" woke white cidiot.
I was riding the sky train the other day in Vancouver and only about 2 percent of people were of Euro decent, same in Costco last month maybe 5%..... did not hear one English conversation but heard many different languages most of which I could not identify and I speak pretty good French and a bit of German.... the word minority does not mean what it meant 20 years ago in Vancouver.

As a new minority Canadian I get dirty looks from the new majority immigrants in many parts of Vancouver... people are the same for the most part at the end of the day, and we are united by our general ignorance about most things.
 
...They wait to pounce on any little safety infraction...

Ever thought of the consequences of that "little safety infraction" ?
- I guess I might as well be one of those old(er)-guys... Because I've been known to have no-tolerance for safety infraction, and will set people straight in the minimum amount of time using as little words as possible.


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- But we were just having fun
- But no one is getting hurt

Nope.
 
That’s the ####z, I know I often have my blinders on and miss a lot of cues. My wife, who was born here but parents immigrated from China, picks up on dirty looks and subtle remarks. I got a little taste of it finally when we took a trip to San Francisco and walked around Chinatown, then I was getting the dirty looks as the Lo Fan guy with her. My point being that it doesn’t take much from people with racist attitudes for others to feel it.

I don’t know if your club has members meetings but it would be worth it to bring up, just even to say that new members should be welcomed if the club expects any long term sustainability of the sport. And new people will be nervous and sometimes less than perfect in their safety rules so the experienced members should be coaches and not hostile, overbearing jerks ready to pounce on people. Safety is important but close monitoring and calm direction works better and doesn’t get the newcomers all jacked up.

Consider bringing it up at a meeting, if you think it would be better received you don’t have to go hard on the racist angle either, just the fair treatment of prospective new members. We were all noobs at one time and the learning never stops.

this is pretty funny
 
I suggest you volunteer for work around the club, and get involved with club competition. Look....I am 58, I am from Toronto and shoot at a rural club, 2.5 hours away. The regulars gave me a hard time for being from the city. My logic is try to fit in or leave. I joined competitions, try to volunteer if I can for work, smile and introduce myself when I talk to the locals at the club. They are softened up to me.
Btw my wife is Indian (from India) and she holds a PAL. And ALL of the old timers and locals are nicer to her than me.
So stop whining, smile, shake hands and get involved. Once they realize you are just like them, the attitudes drop. And you will enjoy their company.

And above all, follow THEIR rules. Many have built the club with their own hands over the years. Respect that.

When in Rome....do as the Roman's.
 
My club is your stereotypical trap club, run by old white men, and to call a spade, the majority are bigots. Hopefully this is localized to my club, but it doubt it.
Almost all of the new interested shooters at my club to come out and try are of Asian/India decent. There’s a new handful every week. None return. Their reception is passively hostile, and they quickly figure out what’s what. It’s easy to spot, the disgruntled tone of the old guys voice and their glaring looks are blatantly obvious. They wait to pounce on any little safety infraction and then act with unnecessary aggression. It’s beyond embarrassing.
It’s not easily addressed without making enemies (which I don’t care about) and it’s darn near impossible to gain ground dealing with a pigheaded majority.
So all you rednecked old timers out there pull your head out of your ***es (edited, poor choice of language, my apologies) so we can try to get memberships up and make shooting enjoyable again. Accept the fact that all of Canada has changed, not just the big cities, and like it or not the future of shotgun sports depends on including everyone.

Thanks for reading.

"Bigots"..."white old timers"..."die already"..."Canada has changed"...oh look everyone a racist POS crying about alleged racists. Takes one to know one. People like you make me sick. You sound like CNN and every liberal millennial. GFY.
 
My club is your stereotypical trap club, run by old white men, and to call a spade, the majority are bigots. Hopefully this is localized to my club, but it doubt it.
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It's 2022. Stereotypical club represents the demographics of the area. While I'm an old white man, we have many people of different colour in and running our club. Lots of women, too.
 
Just so you know, 'redneck' is a derogatory racist term.

Funny story. A couple of my wife's friends (both lesbos, married now, one pretty hot) were over at our place drinking beer beside a pallet fire years ago. So the hot one, wearing a red and black lumberjack no joke, said she liked it out there in the country where we were, except for that there were too many rednecks.

I almost died laughing at her, her sitting there in her plaid sitting on a stump by a pallet fire, chugging a can of cheap beer. Looking like the biggest dyke redneck in the history of rednecks, decrying how intolerant the rednecks were. It was then I realized for sure that the left were every bit as prejudiced as the right.
 
I don't get why op is getting so much hate. He's right those old boys club types are a huge reason why the sport is suffering, sorry if that hurts some egos around here but you're only proving him right. Instead prove him wrong, set up an event for new sport shooters who are new to Canada at your range, get someone who knows the languages to help with language barriers.
 
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