POF yes POF No 4 Mk1

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Years ago, a good friend gave me this rifle. It didn't have a bolt. I always thought it was ROF, until I got checking serial numbers one fine day. Hmmm. Turns out it is a Pakistan Ordnance Factory. A gunsmith friend gave me a bolt, and I put on an SK no gunsmith mount and added an old Weaver 4x, with Weaver rings.

I took it out to my "private" range today. I had some 185gr gas checked cast over 30.1 of the old Ammo Mart 44. Oh dear! I could have shot better if I was blindfolded! One actually hit the target, but was tumbling.

Back to the drawing board. I loaded 5 of 150 gr Speer .311 pointed soft nose over 32 gr of 44. I'll see how that goes.

If that doesn't work, I'll resurrect my faultless skill at paper wrapping some cast bullets. The rifle has good rifling, at least 4 or 5 lands/grooves.

As an aside, there are very few POF rifles in milsurp circulation, especially the No.4 Mk1. Pakistan didn't offer much up as surplus. This one may have changed hands with the Indian forces during their war in 1971. Mine does have the "Ishapore screw".

I know somebody will say to check the bore size. Have never done that, and don't plan to start. This is more fun. More shooting! I have a good supply of different powders and lots of WW and Lino.

I will post the various results, time permitting, as we are now harvesting. For the farmers on here, I am running a brand spankin' new 8800 CLAAS with a new CLAAS 45' header. Let the good times roll!
 
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kjohn said:
For the framers on here, I am running a brand spankin' new 8800 CLAAS with a new CLAAS 45' header. Let the good times roll!
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Are you steering it or the computer? Glad | finished farming before the high tech took over.

I have a nice POF Mk II that is one of my most accurate rifles at 300m. One of my first LE's and purchased for a whopping $450 about ten years ago. Mine does appear to have come here by way of India with stamps added to the wood and an "Ishy screw". Its date- 1960.

milsurpo
 
Picked mine up from Ellwood Epps over 10 years ago. They were 350$ back then which I thought was steep in those days.
 
milsurpo said:
Are you steering it or the computer? Glad | finished farming before the high tech took over.

I have a nice POF Mk II that is one of my most accurate rifles at 300m. One of my first LE's and purchased for a whopping $450 about ten years ago. Mine does appear to have come here by way of India with stamps added to the wood and an "Ishy screw". Its date- 1960.

milsurpo
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These combines are high tech, easily learned. Very easy to adjust nearly all settings from the seat, while in operation. I am 74, fairly tech savvy and love running these machines. These particular ones have John Deere GPS, unlike the previous ones that had Trimble.

I also have a POF MkII. It is my understanding that some of these MKII's were captured in like new condition.
 
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What diameter of bullets ? I use .314 and get good accuracy out of my no4 mk2 sporter, and good out of my worn 6 groove full dress,
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The Speers are .311. The only other bullets I have are sized .312 cast and I've tried the 185's. That's why I think I'll have to try paper wrapping a few.
 
kjohn said:
These combines are high tech, easily learned. Very easy to adjust nearly all settings from the seat, while in operation. I am 74, fairly tech savvy and love running these machines. These particular ones have John Deere GPS, unlike the previous ones that had Trimble.

I also have a POF MkII. It is my understanding that some of these MKII's were captured in like new condition.
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I had two that were in like new condition, one was pristine. I used to have 4 or 5 of them at one time and may have sold you one too if I remember correctly.
 
kjohn said:
The Speers are .311. The only other bullets I have are sized .312 cast and I've tried the 185's. That's why I think I'll have to try paper wrapping a few.
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I had one of the "as new" condition POF MKII rifles and it was beautiful.

The stocks are top grade, straight Circassian Walnut and very hard/rigid/stable.

The bore on mine and the others in the batch I selected it from all measured .309-.310 diameter, which makes sense.

The Pakistanis were using AK variants and their bores also measured out to the same diameters.

The rifles were built on Maltby equipment, purchased from the UK. Please correct if my memory is wrong.

I found my rifle actually heated up rather quickly, but retained accuracy with .311-312 bullets.

I switched to a bunch of 175 grain, surplus, .310, ex Soviet SPBT FMJ and the rifle shot even better.

Look up "Pakistan Ordnance Factory"

They're one of the largest producers of firearms and ammunition for the militaries of the world, including North America, South America, Africa, Europe and the Middle East.
 
bearhunter said:
I had one of the "as new" condition POF MKII rifles and it was beautiful.

The stocks are top grade, straight Circassian Walnut and very hard/rigid/stable.

The bore on mine and the others in the batch I selected it from all measured .309-.310 diameter, which makes sense.

The Pakistanis were using AK variants and their bores also measured out to the same diameters.

The rifles were built on Maltby equipment, purchased from the UK. Please correct if my memory is wrong.

I found my rifle actually heated up rather quickly, but retained accuracy with .311-312 bullets.

I switched to a bunch of 175 grain, surplus, .310, ex Soviet SPBT FMJ and the rifle shot even better.

Look up "Pakistan Ordnance Factory"

They're one of the largest producers of firearms and ammunition for the militaries of the world, including North America, South America, Africa, Europe and the Middle East.
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Most of your post is spot on except for the part about ROF Maltby. ROF Maltby's closure was announced in Parliament in July 1957 with dismantling work beginning almost immediately afterwards and complete withdrawal and demolition had been achieved by 1958.

POF in 1950 or 1951 started the production of MkI LE rifles. The production of the MkI was 1952 thru 1956 at which time the production switched over to the Mk2 in 1957.

The Pakistani Ordnance Factory at Wah Cantt received the Mk2 machinery from ROF Fazakerley in the UK and the necessary tools and gauges to produce the No.4 rifle. The No.4 rifles produced by POF are, in nearly all respects, identical to late Fazakerley No.4 Mk2 production.

According to Skennerton's LE book, Herbert Woodend stated that ROF-Fazakerley shipped their machinery to POF in the mid-1950's. The Mk2 production at ROF-F ended in 1956 and production of the POF Mk2 started in 1957. The POF receivers are also identical to the late Mk2 UF production.

All my POF LE's had very tight bores and shot well with .308 projectiles too.
 
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