Early Canadian Navy??

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Any one know anything about the pre 1910 "Canadian Navy"? (i.e previous to the Royal Canadian NAvy) I will soon have a firearm with the "CNI" which I am told is a Canadian Navy first quality acceptance mark. I'll get pics up when it gets here but I Am super curious:D
 
"...the pre 1910 "Canadian Navy"?..." No such thing. The RN looked after everything. Any Canadians who wanted to be 'Boat People' went into the RN.
"...soon have a firearm with the "CNI"..." What firearm?
 
Ok, my question should have been pre 1911. The period previous to royal assent being given for the "Royal" to appear making it RCN.

Seems any one who wanted to be "boat people" had the option of serving under Rear Admirable Kingsmill in the Canadian Marine Services of the department of Marine and Fisheries. Was this an armed service? Wonder Did they start fancying themselves a Canadian Navy previous to parliament saying so?


Below is the Wikkipedia version of things
On March 29, 1909, George Foster introduced a resolution in the House of Commons calling for the establishment of a Canadian Naval Service. The resolution was not successful; however, on January 12, 1910, the government of Prime Minister Sir Wilfrid Laurier took Foster's resolution and introduced it as the Naval Service Bill. After third reading, the bill received royal assent on May 4, 1910, and became the Naval Service Act, administered by the Minister of Marine and Fisheries at the time. The official title of the navy was the Naval Service of Canada (also Canadian Naval Forces), and the first Director of the Naval Service of Canada was Rear-Admiral Charles Kingsmill (Royal Navy, retired), who was previously in charge of the Marine Service of the Department of Marine and Fisheries.

Department of Naval Services (Canada) was the department responsible for the naval services in Canada during the transition from the Royal Navy to the Royal Canadian Navy.

The act called for:

a permanent force
a reserve (to be called up in emergency)
a volunteer reserve (to be called up in emergency)
the establishment of a naval college
The British cruiser Rainbow was the first ship commissioned into Canada's navy on August 4, 1910, at Portsmouth, England. She arrived at Esquimalt, British Columbia, on November 7, 1910, and carried out fishery patrols and training duties on Canada's west coast.

Another Royal Navy cruiser, HMS Niobe, became the second ship commissioned into the Canadian navy on September 6, 1910, at Devonport in England and arrived at Halifax Nova Scotia, on October 21, 1910—Trafalgar Day.

The Naval Service of Canada changed its name to Royal Canadian Navy on January 30, 1911, but it was not until August 29 that the use of "Royal" Canadian Navy was permitted by King George V.
 
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Lee Enfield, Gee thanks! That helps immensley, nice when people answer questions they know about. There is a pic there of the same CNI stamp. Still a mystery but mystery in good company!

Cheers
 
Well I love to answer my own questions so here is an excerpt from the coast guards history page. Looks like we had definetley had an Armed marine service previous to the RCN.


One further development of the naval renaissance of the years before 1910 remains to be recorded. It was realized that the projected Naval Service, even if the bill authorizing its existence were to survive the shoals of political hazard, could hardly be created overnight and that it would be difficult to provide, in the time available, a Canadian input of young officers. There was then no naval college and, although Canadians could enlist in the Royal Navy, as many had done, there was no way in which they could do so as representatives of a Canadian service. In this dilemma, anticipating the need for elementary sea training, the CGS Canada was used for the purpose. The Canada was a remarkable little ship, similar to a fast naval sloop of the period, which had been built by Vickers Sons and Maxim, at Barrow-in-Furness, in 1904. Of 200 feet in length, she could steam at 22 knots, was armed with four small quick-firing guns, and carried a complement of 75 officers and men. With a ram bow, she was certainly the most warlike fishery cruiser we ever had, and was the ultimate of a series which included a smaller, but generally similar, vessel the CGS Vigilant built by Polsons of Toronto. These two, which were really small warships in all but name, followed a previous series of fishery cruisers, Constance, Curlew and Petrel, which had been commissioned in 1892.

To the Canada then, the Department looked for a first serious venture into professional sea training. In the winter of 1905, the Canada, with representatives from the crews of other fishery cruisers, commenced a series of instructional cruises and, for some years, exercised with the British fleet on the West Indies station. Among other officers, cadets Beard, Bate, Brodeur, German and Nelles trained in the CGS Canada in the years before the advent of the Naval Service. Two of them, Cadet V. G. Brodeur who is a son of the Hon. L. P. Brodeur, Minister from 1906 to 1911, and Cadet Percy Nelles, rose to flag rank in the Royal Canadian Navy and one of these two, Admiral P. W. Nelles, became also the first Canadian trained officer to command his Service, and the first to rise to the rank of full admiral.

From these small beginnings, hoping for a successful confinement, but by no means sure of the result, a small band of officers in the Marine and Fisheries Service anticipated the birth of the Royal Canadian Navy. They had little to look forward to by way of pay or promotion, or even of continuity of service but, in a day to come, they would see their Navy expand to become the sheet anchor of the allied close escort forces in the convoy battle of the Atlantic.
 
Any one know anything about the pre 1910 "Canadian Navy"? (i.e previous to the Royal Canadian NAvy) I will soon have a firearm with the "CNI" which I am told is a Canadian Navy first quality acceptance mark. I'll get pics up when it gets here but I Am super curious:D

What kind of rifle is it? SMLE? Ross?

I have a WWI Canadian Navy SMLE bayonet. Quite rare I'm told.

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IIRC the Fishery Services bought several hundred Ross MkIs c1905. The RCN also had several Colt NS 455s of similar vintage all in a serial number range of 100 which may have been bought by the FS.
 
Lee Enfield, Gee thanks! That helps immensley, nice when people answer questions they know about. There is a pic there of the same CNI stamp. Still a mystery but mystery in good company!

Cheers

My computer here is very slow, but yes there were apparently several armed Canadian marine/naval services pre-1910.

I especially like the New York Times links to the 1880's reports of the "Dominion Crusiers" which were apparently armed with a light cannon (and presumably small arms).


Being as half the people posting in that thread have been active here at CGN, I just posted the link.
 
Cantom, that bayonet is a beauty, keep that one! My CN collectable is of course a Webley.

Ok well we are on the subject of naval history, anyone have any references to the Canadian Invasion of Costa Rica? Apprently over nationalized oil wells?
 
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