Can a store keep my fully transferred handgun from me

If you came here for advice, you got it. The majority says eat the extra, and don't lose anymore sleep over it.

You can always cheap out on tipping your next few meals while fine dining, if it will make you feel squared up.
 
Gatehouse said:
They aren't refusing to release it to him though. I am sure if he walked in the door to pick it up they would hand it over.
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We can't see the store's side of things here but OP claims they are threatening to transfer it back without OP's approval and sell it to another. I would interpret that as seizing OP's property, theft.
 
I talked to the Alberta CFO and explained what was going on she was flabbergasted and made a note about it on my file, I will try to contact the Ontario CFO tomorrow as well. I also sent a email to both the Alberta and Ontario CFO explaining what was going on and I included my receipt of sale and the transfer registration so there is a papertrail. Where my annoyance to just pay the extra comes from is that this was not the first time they have done completely idiotic things like this. I ordered some barnes 110gr reloading bullets awhile ago and they held it from being shipped and when I finally contacted them they informed me that reloading bullets are hazardous explosive devices according to Canadian law and cannot be shipped in Canada ! after spending days arguing that they are completely wrong and their explanation makes absolutely no sense they just cancelled my order and then said there is no shipping allowed to Alberta in Canada !

In the heat of the gun buy I made the mistake of buying from them again but here we go again with them talking out their butts and now want me to pay even tho I have fully paid for my purchase. I have done nothing but purchased my firearm in good faith and they are the ones on their own that are messing with my order and I am sick of them just deciding they can make changes and I am just supposed to accept it.
 
Rat the store out and never deal with them again - now since you didn't mention the store I will only purchase from non-site sponsors . If CGN can permanently delete my account it would be appreciated
 
Completely unacceptable. To everyone saying the OP should eat the cost, just how cuckolded are you? What an absolute defeatist mentality. He already paid the shipping cost (even if free); to ask him to pay again is absolutely ridiculous. You don't just get to unilaterally change an agreement after the fact, especially after payment is received. And then to threaten the OP to reverse an already complete transfer? If I were in your boots, I would have told them to stick the extra cost where the Sun don't shine and contacted the RCMP and informed them of a business illegally holding a firearm that is not theirs; they have zero color of right to your property considering you already paid in full. Interesting what excuses they come up with to defend such egregious business practices.

Anyway, name the store (or at least shoot me a PM with the name) so I can never shop there again.
 
cattabliss said:
We can't see the store's side of things here but OP claims they are threatening to transfer it back without OP's approval and sell it to another. I would interpret that as seizing OP's property, theft.
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If he walked into the store and they wouldn't give it to him, or if he paid the shipping charges and they still won't give it to him then maybe it would be theft. This is not the case though.
 
Gatehouse said:
If he walked into the store and they wouldn't give it to him, or if he paid the shipping charges and they still won't give it to him then maybe it would be theft. This is not the case though.
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He did pay the shipping. It doesn't matter that the agreed upon price was "free", he still paid the agreed upon sum for the product and the shipping of the product. The store has zero legal right to do what they're doing, and from a business standpoint, it's even stupider of them to not eat the cost themselves. They will lose more than one customer over this.
 
Ravage said:
I ordered some barnes 110gr reloading bullets awhile ago and they held it from being shipped and when I finally contacted them they informed me that reloading bullets are hazardous explosive devices according to Canadian law and cannot be shipped in Canada ! after spending days arguing that they are completely wrong and their explanation makes absolutely no sense they just cancelled my order and then said there is no shipping allowed to Alberta in Canada !

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They do sound like the dumbest gun store ever.

How much $$ are the extra fees they want you to pay?
 
Gatehouse said:
If he walked into the store and they wouldn't give it to him, or if he paid the shipping charges and they still won't give it to him then maybe it would be theft. This is not the case though.
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That doesn't excuse the store to commit a firearms offence because the store failed to mediate a successful settlement of a dispute. The onus is not on the OP here, who has done nothing wrong.

If we take what is described as truth, it is very simple. There is currently a business illegally in possession of a firearm and the legal owner has now notified the CFO.

The why of it is less important unless the law provides an exemption to an act being an offence when conditions are met. As far as I know, there's no section, regulation or other provision in our firearms laws for holding onto a restricted firearm registered to someone else until you receive an arbitrary payment that no one has agreed to pay. This is why most peer to peer and retail purchases collect full payment before initiating transfer.
 
tiriaq said:
What will the OP do if the store refunds his money and reverses the transfer?
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Is this a possibility? Can firearms retailers in Canada who have your serial number, PAL info etc initiate an involuntary/unilateral transfer? I hear you about the refund, but in this case OP has not agreed to sell it back.
 
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Ravage said:
I talked to the Alberta CFO and explained what was going on she was flabbergasted and made a note about it on my file, I will try to contact the Ontario CFO tomorrow as well. I also sent a email to both the Alberta and Ontario CFO explaining what was going on and I included my receipt of sale and the transfer registration so there is a papertrail. Where my annoyance to just pay the extra comes from is that this was not the first time they have done completely idiotic things like this. I ordered some barnes 110gr reloading bullets awhile ago and they held it from being shipped and when I finally contacted them they informed me that reloading bullets are hazardous explosive devices according to Canadian law and cannot be shipped in Canada ! after spending days arguing that they are completely wrong and their explanation makes absolutely no sense they just cancelled my order and then said there is no shipping allowed to Alberta in Canada !

In the heat of the gun buy I made the mistake of buying from them again but here we go again with them talking out their butts and now want me to pay even tho I have fully paid for my purchase. I have done nothing but purchased my firearm in good faith and they are the ones on their own that are messing with my order and I am sick of them just deciding they can make changes and I am just supposed to accept it.
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This smells like Tenda.

While I don’t condone how they convey the extra charge, after full payment/processing of the order and not before, if true this changes things. Tenda does have a very explicit statement that additional charges may apply on firearms & ammo if shipping to remote areas or for bulky orders. I bought a bunch of ammo from them awhile back and was charged an extra $30 for approx 100lbs. Expected that after reading their policies.

OP,

If it’s Tenda then it was spelled out in the terms prior to purchase. Pay the money you owe, get your gun.
 
Interesting post. I'm a merchandising accountant with one Canada's largest grain companies.... while I don't by any means claim to specialize in contract law, I have learned a few things.

My $2 (because 2 cents don't buy you much anymore) from working in the industry....

I have a customer in say Biggar Saskatchewan, and we come to an agreement to deliver (be it in the current month or a year from now) to thier facility 1,000 tonnes of Malt Barley for $330 / tonne..... their would be no way in hell that we would withhold shipments because we underestimated the cost of truck in our contract bid.

That financial risk is on the seller because we agreed to "delivered" terms of sale.

Likewise, if we sold grain "FCA" which the buyer pays shipping and the grain is loaded at our facility, then we wouldn't accept the buyer backing out of the contract if the cost of shipping suddenly spiked......

The OP is totally in the right to be pissed off.

That being said, if they cost of shipping is nominal, then I would just pay these guys and scorch the reputation.
 
Janeau said:
They will ask why. Then reverse the transaction. You don’t pay, you don’t get it.
Free shipping is not forever.
Playing hard ass will not get him his gun. And yes, the store can get the transfer reversed back to them and refund the buyer.

They are not gonna play nice very long. Op don’t pay shipping, transaction reversed. I would not monkey it too long if I was me.
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He did pay though. And as we all know the prices for handguns were jacked up since Trudy's announcement, so more the likely the cost was a couple hundred More the it was a few months prior. Plus more then likely the shipping cost was built into the inflated price of the gun. So it doesn't matter if he paid 900 for the gun and 50 for shipping, or if he paid 950 for the gun and free shipping. He bought it, held up his end of the deal by paying his money, so the store that took his money should now hold up their end.

While it's not the OPs fault or the stores, that Canada Post raised the rates or the CFO took so long that the rates changed, the store set their price, and should have accounted for this possibility before offering free shipping.

If people cave to this sot of thing, a lot of us are going to end up in the same boat in a year when our recent purchases start clearing, and postage has increased again.
 
very simple, you have the serial number. Report to RCMP as a pistol theft case, and tell them where the gun is.
The store conducted a handgun theft.
 
TT1900 said:
This smells like Tenda.

While I don’t condone how they convey the extra charge, after full payment/processing of the order and not before, if true this changes things. Tenda does have a very explicit statement that additional charges may apply on firearms & ammo if shipping to remote areas or for bulky orders. I bought a bunch of ammo from them awhile back and was charged an extra $30 for approx 100lbs. Expected that after reading their policies.

OP,

If it’s Tenda then it was spelled out in the terms prior to purchase. Pay the money you owe, get your gun.
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It's absolutely Tenda. They are famous for cheap on shipping. Their price is generally good so that's when I have deal with them I buy and pick up in store, always
 
Money isn't everything. Compared to whining on the internet about the cost of living, money really pales.
 
Munkey1973 said:
Interesting post. I'm a merchandising accountant with one Canada's largest grain companies.... while I don't by any means claim to specialize in contract law, I have learned a few things.

My $2 (because 2 cents don't buy you much anymore) from working in the industry....

I have a customer in say Biggar Saskatchewan, and we come to an agreement to deliver (be it in the current month or a year from now) to thier facility 1,000 tonnes of Malt Barley for $330 / tonne..... their would be no way in hell that we would withhold shipments because we underestimated the cost of truck in our contract bid.

That financial risk is on the seller because we agreed to "delivered" terms of sale.

Likewise, if we sold grain "FCA" which the buyer pays shipping and the grain is loaded at our facility, then we wouldn't accept the buyer backing out of the contract if the cost of shipping suddenly spiked......

The OP is totally in the right to be pissed off.

That being said, if they cost of shipping is nominal, then I would just pay these guys and scorch the reputation.
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your sample and experience are not applicable.
Grain and pistols are totally two different things. And nobody buys 1000 pistols in one transaction.
 
Jmcc said:
... if you have lots of free time and enjoy being angry feel free to fight them. ....
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Yep, it's a personal decision. I can see smart, ethical people deciding to go either direction.

I'd be interested to know the legalities of the situation, though, either way.
 
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