338 lapua in rem model 700

Not to get back on track or anything but from the original thread post, the gun everyone is talking about isn't a Remington but an HS Precision 338LM. I'm glad there is a Lapua version being manufactured but my only problem with the HS is the ultra short barrel. 26" is ok for 300WM and 308 but would it have killed them to add another 2.5" to the end of the barrel???
At any rate, congradulations to all of those who will finally be able to own a Lapua. With more Lapuas on the market, the bullet manufacturers are already skirrying to catch up to the demand to high BC bullets which is only that much better for those of us that have AI versions of the Lapua and the Edge. Now all the retailers have to do is carry some stock to support these guns they're bringing in. Just like the Steyr 50BMGs I guess. Sell'm but don't stock anything to make them go bang.

For anyone that's thinking of getting a buddy or gunsmith to enlarge their chamber to Ackley Improve it, IT DOESN'T WORK!!! THERE'S NOTHING FOR THE REAMER TO BE GUIDED BY. Besides, you have a 26" barrel. How much of a flame do you really want coming out the end of your barrel.
 
Glock-a-maniac said:
.......For anyone that's thinking of getting a buddy or gunsmith to enlarge their chamber to Ackley Improve it, IT DOESN'T WORK!!! THERE'S NOTHING FOR THE REAMER TO BE GUIDED BY.
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The proper reamer will have an extended pilot, just as any AI reamer does that will commence cutting before the pilot is in the bore with a standard pilot. One example, the 25-35 AI.

Was shown that by PO himself. Amazing how simple solutions can be to what appear to be huge problems. :)

Ted
 
Glock-a-maniac said:
Not to get back on track or anything but from the original thread post, the gun everyone is talking about isn't a Remington but an HS Precision 338LM.
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Not sure I am following you here? The original poster asked about a Remington offering in .338 Lapua which Remington has been talking about being ready to release for the last couple of years.
 
THANKS TO EVERY ONE FOR THERE INFO.
i talked to rick from alberta tactical and i think i am going to turn my 300rum into a 338 edge. and WHY NOT i would listen to glock a matic is only person i know that has a 338AI and has done a tone of field testing with it.
im sure he knows what he is preaching. im sure any scab gunsmith will take ur money and tell u its possible but a good gunsmith will tell you the truth over making a sale.
 
Mutt-roc said:
........and WHY NOT i would listen to glock a matic is only person i know that has a 338AI and has done a tone of field testing with it.
im sure he knows what he is preaching. im sure any scab gunsmith will take ur money and tell u its possible but a good gunsmith will tell you the truth over making a sale.
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Parker Ackley was a "scab gunsmith"? :D:runaway:

Not trying to belittle anything Glock (his handle is a-maniac, by the way, not a matic) posted, just relating what PO showed me himself was his answer to insure pilots were centered before reamers start cutting.

Ted
 
Why not? said:
Parker Ackley was a "scab gunsmith"? :D:runaway:

Not trying to belittle anything Glock (his handle is a-maniac, by the way, not a matic) posted, just relating what PO showed me himself was his answer to insure pilots were centered before reamers start cutting.

Ted
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I agree with you that if the reamer is cut for it's intended purpose, to do exactly what you're saying is possible, by all means it can be done but in this particular case, the pilot won't be touching anything before the shoulder runs into steel. What you might have wanted to add which would agree with my post is that cutting an AI chamber to be able to burn more powder in a 26" tube is pointless unless you want to use some Unique or blue dot but I wouldn't want to be around for that.
I'm sure good old P.O Ackley wouldn't advise anyone to take a standard reamer and run it into some other chamber and start cutting with first removing the threads so that there was positive contract with the pilot prior to making chips.
I hope we can all agree on this.
 
I made the point about the original thread because I don't think P & D were talking about Remingtons when they said they were getting Lapuas in. I'm almost positive they were referring to the HS Precisions that have finally made their way into Canada.
 
Glock-a-maniac said:
I agree with you that if the reamer is cut for it's intended purpose, to do exactly what you're saying is possible, by all means it can be done but in this particular case, the pilot won't be touching anything before the shoulder runs into steel. What you might have wanted to add which would agree with my post is that cutting an AI chamber to be able to burn more powder in a 26" tube is pointless unless you want to use some Unique or blue dot but I wouldn't want to be around for that.
I'm sure good old P.O Ackley wouldn't advise anyone to take a standard reamer and run it into some other chamber and start cutting with first removing the threads so that there was positive contract with the pilot prior to making chips.
I hope we can all agree on this.
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Agreed, and with sincere apologies if my first post was offensive to you in any way. That was certianly not the intention.

Ted
 
No harm done guys. It would be much more simple if it was a verbal conversation but infortunately we're stuck with typing and along with that come interpretation.
I look at the HS Precision lapua this way, it's got great build potential and to get things going especially with 250gr or lighter bullets it'll be great. For the money, personally, I'd go 338 Edge AI because it works out to about the same $$ but wait time to have one built plays a role too.
 
buddy at p and d told me he had hs 338lapuas in stock and was just waiting to recive the rem 338lapuas that is why i made this thread cause i heard that rem 338 were just a myth.
 
Mutt-roc said:
buddy at p and d told me he had hs 338lapuas in stock and was just waiting to recive the rem 338lapuas that is why i made this thread cause i heard that rem 338 were just a myth.
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The 700P in .338 Lapua is not a myth. There has been first hand reports of a shipment of these rifles arriving in Austrailia. Do a search on this. It's not hard to find.

FWIW, I phoned Gravel Agencies (Remington Distributor for Canada) over a month ago on this issue and they claimed they had some initial units ordered years ago for a police dept. in Saskatchewan but they had no idea when they were comming in or if they ever would. They weren't exactly up to speed on the whole thing.

In any event Gravel was suppose to phone me back regarding availability after they checked with their sources at Remington but I never got a return call. Subsequent messages left did not get responded to.

Professionalism it seems, is not one of Gravel Agencies strong points.
 
Glock-a-maniac said:
For anyone that's thinking of getting a buddy or gunsmith to enlarge their chamber to Ackley Improve it, IT DOESN'T WORK!!! THERE'S NOTHING FOR THE REAMER TO BE GUIDED BY. Besides, you have a 26" barrel. How much of a flame do you really want coming out the end of your barrel.
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I certainly agree about your short barrel comment but I don't agree about your perception of reamer pilot.

I as well as many others have found if the chamber is centered on the barrel before re chambering is attempted, you can successfully re chamber without any pilot on the reamer at all...

Some Bench Rest gunsmiths indicate the throat area of where the finished chamber will end up to the 10 thousands of an inch using the bottom of the grooves. They feel this is the way to achieve the best accuracy. Then the chamber is bored under size and then a reamer with a loose pilot is used to finish the chamber. The reamer will always follow the pre bored hole.

This method of chambering has been discussed many times on Benchrest Central.
 
guntech said:
I certainly agree about your short barrel comment but I don't agree about your perception of reamer pilot.

I as well as many others have found if the chamber is centered on the barrel before re chambering is attempted, you can successfully re chamber without any pilot on the reamer at all...

Some Bench Rest gunsmiths indicate the throat area of where the finished chamber will end up to the 10 thousands of an inch using the bottom of the grooves. They feel this is the way to achieve the best accuracy. Then the chamber is bored under size and then a reamer with a loose pilot is used to finish the chamber. The reamer will always follow the pre bored hole.

This method of chambering has been discussed many times on Benchrest Central.
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I'm sure in the bench rest forums, the arguement rages on about the best way to do a lot of stuff. The idea of running a straight walled sharp shouldered reamer into a tapered chamber where there is hardly any contact on the reamer at first and of course that determines how the chamber will turn out is something that would worry me. Regardless of that, chances are, if the smith is rechambering the barrel it's probably because of throat errosion. It would do him absolutely NO good to just recut the chamber without moving everything back first anyway. I guess what it boils down to is whether or not the gunsmith is willing to take the chance of screwing up a reamer so that he doesn't have to cut threads again. Truthfully, it sounds like a short cut move as aposed to just doing the job the way it was intended to be done in the first place.

That's my 2 cents.
 
Glock-a-maniac said:
I'm sure in the bench rest forums, the arguement rages on about the best way to do a lot of stuff. The idea of running a straight walled sharp shouldered reamer into a tapered chamber where there is hardly any contact on the reamer at first and of course that determines how the chamber will turn out is something that would worry me. Regardless of that, chances are, if the smith is rechambering the barrel it's probably because of throat errosion. It would do him absolutely NO good to just recut the chamber without moving everything back first anyway. I guess what it boils down to is whether or not the gunsmith is willing to take the chance of screwing up a reamer so that he doesn't have to cut threads again. Truthfully, it sounds like a short cut move as aposed to just doing the job the way it was intended to be done in the first place.

That's my 2 cents.
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Chambers get recut from standard walls to IMP cartridges every day in any good shop in the World.

Many times a person will want a different cartridge cut in to a chamber because he either wants something different or cannot get the particular cartrige in that particular rifle.


BR gunsmiths rechamber regularly from standard cartridges, changing shoulder angles , etc. and there are reamers available for that .
if there isn't many of them get Paople like Pacific to grind a reamer for them.
Cat
 
So, tell me, does the reamer for this have an extended pilot for this purpose or do they just dangle the ordinary reamer into the chamber and hope it finds it's center?
 
Glock-a-maniac said:
So, tell me, does the reamer for this have an extended pilot for this purpose or do they just dangle the ordinary reamer into the chamber and hope it finds it's center?
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The reamers are ground to the customer specs with a floating pilot.
Leade and throat are reamed after the chamber is cut.

No self respecting gunsmith takes a chance on "dangling" anything .
I don't know any custom accuracy 'smiths that use one piece reamers , the leade and throat are cut after to the bullet that is going to be used and the bullet jump that the customer wants
Cat
 
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Well since this thread seems to have been started by a comment I made to some customers about the Rem 338 Lapua and I have described as anything between a droid and a liar...I will give you what I know. In an unsolicited phone call from Hugo who is a rep. for Gravel Agencies (Remington Canada) ha asked me last week if I would like to buy some Remington detachable mag in 338 Lapua model 700 rifles that may soon be arriving in Canada. I agreed with the expected retail price being around $1250 CDN. The exact import time was not confirmed but was expected to be in the next few months. I did not take any deposits and was only passing information I was given. Simultaneously our HS Precision order arrived that included several rifles in 338 Lapua (HTR, Pro-Hunter & Take-down Varmint-28" barrel). Most are sold as I write this. Maybe someone could call or PM me for confirmation if you need clarification in the future. Phil.
 
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