Karabiner 98K

Claven2 said:
5) A real LSR would have the serial numbers STAMPED (not ep'd) into the mount and the scope would have a nazi production code and a military serial number from a known range applied to it. The mount and probably the scope would bear waffenampts.
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More info, the mount did have stamped numbers but it looks like they were crossed out by what looks like ZZZZ and then has the electro pencil aswell.

just to let you have something to go buy.

Again I'll post more detailed pics hopefully by the weekend.

Thanks Claven
 
I spend days reading reviews and specs for a 40$ flashllight.

It does suck to have to tell someone their Ebay prize was not such a prize. They often feel like hanging the messenger. Still if it was sold as a repro and you did not pay to much over a grand I don't think you should feel bad. Personally i would rather own a nice replica so I could take it out plinking and hunting and maybe even do some reanacting without worrying about a museum piece. It does annoy me the way people make up fanciful stories for their creations.
 
IMO--- The more threads like these , the less people will get taken , & maybe a few less asshat con men out there getting something for nothing -- Buy the GUN, NOT the Tale !! When collecting . --Hope you didn't pay too much, and you get your money back !
 
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I love the denial and hope that it "still may be real"......:)
Kind of like that thread last year about that rare Jungle carbine made up on a No4 that was suppose to be some special forces piece......:) :)
 
Claven2 said:
Bart,

IF the scope is genuine ww2 AND in perfect working order, yes. $700. I think your scope is a commercial civilian scope needing a refurb, making it a $50 e-bay item.
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Hi Claven,

I looked up the scope on an overseas Militaria (german) website and Voigtländer in Braunschweig was labeled under the WaffenAmpt code 'ddx' (ddx Voigtländer & Sohne A-G, Braunschweig, Germany).

Just a quick question. If a company had a WaA designation would they be suppliers to the Wehrmacht? If so, would the scope have to be marked with the WaA number to have been used during the war?

BTW I've actually been to Braunschweig (went shopping there with Verena, Kerstin and Manuella) I lived in Jerstedt-Goslar, Niedersachsen for 4 months during '03 (Did my third co-op there for college)

Thanks



Here's a list of the WaA codes for optic company's:

Bbw Electroacustik KG, Kiel

Bck Bruninghaus & Co, Leder u. Metallwarenfabrik, Versmold

Bef Clemens Riefler, Fabrik Mathematischer Instrumente, Nasselwang/Bayern

beh Ernst Leitz GmbH, Wetzlar, Germany

bek Hensoldt Werk fur Optic und Mechanik, Herborn, Germany

bgu Theodor Wuppermann GmbH, Walzwerk und Fassonschmiede, Koln

blc Carl Zeiss Militarabteilung, Jena, Germany

bmh K Jirasek Fabrik fur Feinmechanic und Optic, Prague, Czech

bmj Hensoldt & Sohne Optische Werke A-G, Wetzlar, Germany

bmk Srb & Stys Fabrik Praziser Messinstrumente, Prague, Czech

bmt C A Steinheil & Sohne GmbH, Optische Werke, Munich, Germany

bpd C P Goerz GmbH Optische Anstalt, Vienna, Austria

bvf C Reichert Optische Werke,Vienna, Austria

bvu Franz Kuhlmann,Wilhelmshaven, Germany

bwt G Heyde K-G, Dresden, Germany

bxc Kreiselgerate GmbH, Berlin

bxx Askania Werke AG, Berlin

byg Joh Wyksen K-G Optische Fabrik und Feinmachin, Katowitz, Poland

bzz J G Farbenindustrie A-G Camerawerk, Munich, Germany ( Agfa )

cad Karl Kahles Optiker, Vienna, Austria

cag Swarovski,Tyrol, Austria

cau Kodak Aktiengesellschaft,Stuttgart, Germany

ccx Hugo Meyer & Co Optische und Feinmechanische Werke, Gorlitz, Germany

cdc Kern, Klager & Cie, Berlin ( binocular Cases )

clb Dr F A Wohler, Kassel, Germany

clk F W Breithaupt & Sohne Fabrik Geogatisher Instrumente, Kassel,Germany

cll August Baumgart Feinmechanik & Prazisionmashinenbau, Rathenow

clm Biedermann & Czarnikow, Berlin

cln E Sprenger Optische-Mechanische Werkstatten, Berlin

cmc Gegr Wichmann, Berlin

cmd ditto

cme ditto

cny C Pose, Berlin ( ? binocular cases )

crg W Lambrecht, Instrumente, Gottingen, Germany

crh F Schmidt & Haensch, Steglitz, Berlin

crj Otto Fennel Sohne K-G, Instrumente, Kassel, Germany

crn Friedrichs & Co, Hamburg ( see also ctn )

cro R Fuess, Optische Industrie, Berlin

ctn Freidricks & Co, Hanseatische Werkstatten fur Feinmechanik und Optik, Hamburg ( see also crn )

cwu Georg von Kremp, Wetzlar, Germany

cxc Dr Paul Mozar, Fabrik fur Feinmechanik, Dusseldorf, Germany

cxn Emil Busch A-G, Optische Industrie, Rathenow

czn ditto

ddv Oculus, Berlin

ddx Voigtlander & Sohne A-G, Braunschweig, Germany

dho Nordmark GmbH, Prerau,Czech

dhq J D Moller GmbH, Wedel

dhv Berliner Physikalische Werkstatten GmbH, Berlin

dkl Jos Schneider & Co, Kreuznach, Germany

doq Deutsche Spielgelglas A-G, Leine, Germany

dow Opticotechna GmbH, Prerau or Optitechna, Brerau, Czech

dpg Adox Kamerawerk GmbH, Wiesbaden, Germany

dpv Zeiss Ikon A-G, Dresden, Germany

dpw Zeiss Ikon A-G, Goerzwerk Kehlendorf Berlin

dpx Zeiss Ikon A-G, Contessawerk, Stuggart, Germany

dqc Eugen Ising, Metallwarenfabrik

dxt Kadlec-Instrumente-Fabrik, Prague, Czech

dym Runge & Kaulfuss, Rathenow ( poss also / or dyn )

dys Heinrich Zeiss, Berlin

dzl Oigee GmbH optische Anstalt, Berlin

eaf Aude & Reipert Optische Industrie, Babelsberg, Germany

eaw R Winkel GmbH Optische industrie, Gottingen, Germany

ejo Presswerk AG, Essen

eed Kurbi & Niggeloh, Radevormwa, Germany

ehe Rommler AG, Spremberg

emq Karl Zeiss, Jena, Germany

emv Hertel & Reuss, Kassel, Germany

eoc A Ott, Instrumente, Kempten

eos W Feiler Feinmechanik GmbH, Berlin

eot Fichter & Hackenjos K-G, Fabrik fur Feinmechanik, Villingen

erv Fritz Hofmann, Erlangen

eso Rodenstock Optische Werke, Munich, Germany

esu Steinheil Sohne GmbH, Astronom Industrie, Munich, Germany

eug Optische Prazisions-Werke GmbH, Warsaw, Poland

fco Sendlinger Optische Glaswerke GmbH, Zehlendorf, Berlin

fjt Photogrammetrie GmbH, Berlin

fll Feinapparate-Bau, Werk Gablonz

flm ditto Werk Thurn

fln Franz Rapsch Optische Fabriken A-G, Rathenow

fpr Fr Moller, Brackwede, Westphalia

frn Federn-, Draht- und Metallwarenfabrik, Havel

fvs Spindler & Hoyer, Gottingen, Germany

fvx Chr Beck & Sohne, Kassel, ( Beck-Kassel ) Germany

fwq Saalfelder Apparatebau GmbH, Saalfeld

fwr Optische Anstalt Saalfeld GmbH, Saalfeld, Germany

fxp Hans Kollmorgen GmbH, Kassel, Germany ( poss also / or fzp )

fzg Feinmechanik GmbH, Kassel, Germany

gag F Mollenkopf Optische Industrieanstalt, Stuggart, germany

gcg H Maihak A-G Fabrik fur Techn. Instrumente und Feinmechanik gerate, Hamburg.

ghd Carl Kneusel, Zeulenroda/ Thur

gkp Rufs & Co, Kassel, Germany ( poss also/or ghp )

gmk Kroymann & Co GmbH, Schuh und Sportartikel Fabrik, Hamburg. Bino Cases

gpa Groos & Graf, Feinmechanik und Prazisionmaschinenbau, Berlin

gpr Berchtold, Gebr, Instrumente, Tuttlingen

gug Ungarische Optische Werke A-G, Budapest, Hungary

guj Werner D Kuehn Optische Industrie, Steglitz, Berlin

gwr Dennert & Pape, Hamburg

gwv Ernst Plank Fabrik Optische und Mechanischer, Waren, Nurenberg, Germany

gxh Nitsche & Gunther Optische Werke K-G, Rathenow

gxl Franke & Heidecke, Braunschweig, Germany

gxp Homrich & Sohne, ?

hap Max Kohl A-G, Chemnitz

hdv Optische Werke Osterode GmbH, Osterode, Harz, Germany

hfo Valentin Linhof OHG, Munich, Germany

hgu Friedenauer Technische Wekstatte, Berlin

hkm Carl Braun K-G Optische Industrie, Nuremberg, Germany

hna Korelle Werke Brandtmann & Co, dresden, Germany

hrw Hoh & Hahne, Leipzig, Germany

hwt Ihagee Kamerawerk Steenbergen & co, Dresden, Germany

hxh A Kruss Optisch-Mechan, Hamburg

jfn Tetanal Photowerk, Berlin

jfp Dr Karl Leiss Optische und Mechanische Instrumente, Steglitz, Berlin

jfu Wilhelm Lehmann & Co K-G, Feinmechanische Werkstatte, Hamburg

jfv ditto Magdeburg

jkk L Castagna & Sohn Feinmechanische Werkstatten, Vienna, Austria

jnh Hensoldt & Sohne but one list shows this code used by F Tutemann of Ludenscheid

jon Voigtlander-Gavaert, Berlin

jux Nedinson, Nederlandsche Instrumenten, Venlo, Netherlands

jve Ernst Ludvig Optisches Werk, Weixdorf, Germany

jxn Helmut Korth, feinmechanik und Optik, Berlin

kgc Nahmashinenfabrik A-G, Sobeslav, Bohemia

khc Otto Himmler, Mikroscope, Berlin

kjj Askania Werke AG, Berlin

kln Ernst & Willhelm Bertram, Munich, Germany

kme Max Lang, Lauter

kna Berning & Co K-G, Photographische Apparate und Bedarfsartikel, Dusseldorf

kov Bernard et Turenne, Establissement Barbier, Paris

kqc Jos Schneider & Co Optische Werke K-G, Gottingen, Germany

krm C Pose, Berlin ( bino cases only ? )

krg Emil Busch A-G Optische Werke, Budapest, Hungary

krq ditto Rathenow

kry F A Sening, Maschinenfabrik, Hamburg

kwc Gamma, Feinmechan und Optische Werke, Budapest, Hungary ( poss kwe )

kxv A Jackenroll Optische Anstalt GmbH, Berlin

lae Heinrich Zeiss, Gostingen

lfn C Richter Kamarafabrik, Tharandt, Germany ( Reflekta )

lmg Carl Zeiss Jena and/or lmq

lux Schlieper & Baum AG, Wappertal

lwg Optische Werke Osterode GmbH, Freiheit bei Osterode, Harz, Germany

lww Huet & Cie, Paris, France

lwx O.P.L. ( Optique et Precision de Levallois ), Lavallois, Paris, France

lwy Societe d’Optique et Mechanique de Haute Precision SOM, Paris

mav H Mailak A-G Fabrik fur Techn. Messinstrumente und Feinmechanik, Hamburg

mbv I-G Farbenindustrie A-G, Berlin ( Agfa)

mca Dr C Schleussner Fotowerke GmbH, Frankfurt, Germany

mgf August Fischer Werkstatten fur Feinmechanik, Gottingen, Germany

mjc Feinmechanische Werkstaetten Warsitz, Amsterdam, Netherlands

mny Gerhard Hofmann Werkstatte fur Feinmechanik, Berlin

mnz Erich Holz Feinmechanische Werkstatte, Berlin

mtq Roland Risse GmbH Photochemische Fabrik, Florsheim, Germany

mtr Voigtlander & Sohn A-G, Berlin ( poss also mlr )

mtv A Lorenz Feinmechanik-Optik, Dresden also mtu and mtw<O ></O>

nac Feinmechanische Zentrale Overbeck, Herborn

ndv Feinmechanische Werke Neumuhlen GmbH, Kiel

nek O Perlitz Prazisionmechanik und Apparatebau, Berlin

nmh De Pleskot & Co, Messinstrumente, Prague, Czech

nms Richard Holz, Optischmechan. Berlin

npx Ludwig Rossler Feinmechanische Werkstatte, Munich, Germany

nuj Schaper & Uebel Feinmechanik, Dresden, germany

nxt S.A.I. Ottico Mechanica e Rilevamenti Aerofotogrammetrici, Rome

ocp Aktophot GmbH, Sabechtlitz, Prague, Czech

ocv W Klazer Feinmechanik und Fotobedarf, Prague, Czech

okc Hauff A-G, Stuggart, Germany

pvf C Reichert, Optische Werk, Vienna, Austria

rln Carl Zeiss Jena, Germany. after Nov 1944

rtm Steinheil, Munchen
 
Bart,

The scope on your rifle was never used on an LSR.

The rifle would have to be a 1944, not 1941. Also wrong maker.

See page 245 to 268 of The German Sniper by Senich.

It's a put together repro sniper.
 
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Coyote Ugly said:
It's a put together repro sniper.
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Really??? I didn't realize that already!

WOW ... you're so knowledgable on the subject.


PS I'm looking for info on the rifle that I own not neccessarily if it's a true "Collector Piece".

BTW I think I'll go bubba my Garands this weekend and if I have time my mint Home Guard ROSS.
 
I think this is a nice looking rifle, even for a refurb. It would be a blast to shoot. Would love to have it taking up space in my house. Thanks for showing!
Joe
 
joe n said:
I think this is a nice looking rifle, even for a refurb. It would be a blast to shoot. Would love to have it taking up space in my house. Thanks for showing!
Joe
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Thanks Joe,

I thought that I'd post a few pics for CGN to get some info about my piece and show my k98 sniper (repro or not) as most of the "collectors" around here don't feel the need to show their's (maybe only in the purchases stickies).
 
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Bart212 said:
Thanks Joe,

I thought that I'd post a few pics for CGN to get some info about my piece and show my k98 sniper (repro or not) as most of the "collectors" around here don't feel the need to show their's (maybe only in the purchases stickies).
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Chances are, you could find them in the photo gallery forum under CGN Community
 
Bart212 said:
Just a quick question. If a company had a WaA designation would they be suppliers to the Wehrmacht? If so, would the scope have to be marked with the WaA number to have been used during the war?
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In my experience, I haven't seen any scopes marked with Waffens. Mounts yes, scopes no. Wartime manufacture scopes will have the army contract code (ddx, cad, bmj, etc), a serial number and the model of scope sometimes (Dialytian, etc). Pre-war scopes were pressed into service as a result of a lack of scopes available early in the war so they will still have the commerical manufacturers markings. Sometimes, commerical scopes will have alternate markings added as well such as lubrication oil type or weather/temperature ratings but I have never seen waffens on them.

Voigtländer scopes like yours were used a lot in WW1 on Gew98's though I don't think yours is that old. The ddx marked scopes that Voigtländer made during WW2 are Zf4's, used primarily on G43's and experimentally on MP44's.

Nice project rifle, enjoy shooting it! My repro high turret K98 probably gets shot the most out of all my rifles....
 
Bart212 said:
Hi Claven,

I looked up the scope on an overseas Militaria (german) website and Voigtländer in Braunschweig was labeled under the WaffenAmpt code 'ddx' (ddx Voigtländer & Sohne A-G, Braunschweig, Germany).

Just a quick question. If a company had a WaA designation would they be suppliers to the Wehrmacht? If so, would the scope have to be marked with the WaA number to have been used during the war?

BTW I've actually been to Braunschweig (went shopping there with Verena, Kerstin and Manuella) I lived in Jerstedt-Goslar, Niedersachsen for 4 months during '03 (Did my third co-op there for college)

Thanks
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If yours isn;t ddx marked, then imagining it is a real sniper scope is just a flight of fancy on your part, but yes, they probably supplied some optics to the Wehrmacht at some point, but marked differently than yours.
 
IO Inc... well over a year ago I think there sold out now
Thought they were from the same production run anyway?
 
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