Whats Your Choice of Barrel Tuners for 22 Precision

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Thinking about adding a tuner to my CZ457 VPC .22lr. I know about the Red Knob Tuna Can and just watched Eric Cortina’s video about EC V2 tuner. What’s your experience? Anyone have better tuna’s recommendations? And how much do they really tighten your groups?

And does the cost justify the increase in accuracy? Not interest in looking cool but confirming results that make the $300+/- investment a worthwhile addition.
 
I've been running a Red Knobb this year. I've been testing it when weather conditions permit, which is not often here.

My conclusion so far is that it is definitely the best value and most effective weight you can add to a rimfire to make it more front-heavy (due to how heavy it is and how far forward it sits). As to whether it improves accuracy overall on competition days through the year, I am not yet convinced. I will say that I have shot the smallest groups this rifle has ever done with it on during tuning sessions, but I'm not convinced that result stays consistent even in the same session, much less a month later on match day.

The product itself is definitely well made and functions well as a controllable, moveable weight that attaches to the muzzle and looks good.
 
Harrell works for me.
Would go so far to say it will make your best ammo better.
I have had three but currently only one as the sporter weight rifle in the competitions don't allow any attachments to the barrel.
The Remington 40XB has one and no adjustment changes are made for 50 yards or 100 metres.
 
waynewjw said:
Thinking about adding a tuner to my CZ457 VPC .22lr. I know about the Red Knob Tuna Can and just watched Eric Cortina’s video about EC V2 tuner. What’s your experience? Anyone have better tuna’s recommendations? And how much do they really tighten your groups?

And does the cost justify the increase in accuracy? Not interest in looking cool but confirming results that make the $300+/- investment a worthwhile addition.
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For my 16" Lilja barrel I was using the Tuna Can and to be quite honest it just wasn't consistent with this barrel length. I've switched to an Insite Arms Tuner and I'm very please with my results. Achieving my tune setting was much faster than the Tuna Can and consistent results.

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EC has a new version of his popular tuner. Maybe one day I'll pick one up but in no rush.

 
Lowley for me.
You can have it with a 11mm cut to accept a globe front sight.
Easy to remove and put back in same location ( locator ring) to clean up.
No mods to gun..no gunsmitting.

http://www.loweyproducts.com/products.html

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Janeau said:
You don’t know what you are talking about..sometime it’s better to write nothing than says stupidity.
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Yeah sure sounds like you know.
My 5 rimfire rifles cost adds up to a brand new car. And I have personally tried 3 different tuners with more than dozen different brands of match grade ammo on those rifles.
That’s the conclusion I have: tuner is a myth.

Just because an opinion is different from yours doesn’t mean it’s stupid.
Your stupidity and quick judgment on others’ personalities surely tell something about your arrogance and ignorance.
 
JQIAN said:
Yeah sure sounds like you know.
My 5 rimfire rifles cost adds up to a brand new car. And I have personally tried 3 different tuners with more than dozen different brands of match grade ammo on those rifles.
That’s the conclusion I have: tuner is a myth.

Just because an opinion is different from yours doesn’t mean it’s stupid.
Your stupidity and quick judgment on others’ personalities surely tell something about your arrogance and ignorance.
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Can you tell us more about the rifles, barrels, and ammo choices... also, which tuners and what you found for results?

Jerry
 
"Tuner is a Myth" is definitely an opinion.... and a rather vague one at that... how or why anyone would possibly take umbrage, in a thread about tuners, is not hard to understand.
 
TrxR said:
If tuners are a myth why does pretty much every top benchrest shooter have one on there rifle?
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I think calling them a myth was just an opening to then counter with something along the lines of "My 5 rimfire rifles cost adds up to a brand new car."

Sounds like Jquain has some super nice rifles that make tiny holes with super nice ammo and he just doesn't see a difference when he "screws around" with a tuner?

If your 10'000 dollar rig is drilling tiny holes, there is not much sense in screwing around..... but to then conclude that somebody else having success with a tuner is a myth is a bit presumptuous.

Next we will have someone point out that tuners won't make the cheap "bucket=o=bullets" ammo win matches.... which makes more sense then calling barrel harmonics a myth.
 
Mystic Precision said:
Can you tell us more about the rifles, barrels, and ammo choices... also, which tuners and what you found for results?

Jerry
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If you look through the "100 yard challenge" thread, you will see I posted two results of two of my rifles there. Those are the results that I can repeat. They are not super good (about 1.1 to 1.2 inch groups in average at 100 meters). But more importantly I can do this with same rifle and ammo combination every day when weather permits.
To me consistency and repeatability are the key. You can have a tuner shooting 1/4 inch group out to 100 yard and claim a victory, can you repeat this? I doubt. But I can for a 1-ish MOA with my rifles/ammo combination, over and over again.

In the pictures, none of them had tuner on them because they don't make any noticeable difference as far as I can tell. At least the outcome is not consistent.
One tuner on one rifle with one ammo can shot 3/4 MOA out of 100 yard but produces 1.5 inch very next day with similar weather condition. By the way before anyone wants to educate me how to use tuner, I have 2, used to have 3. I still have KSS ATS and EC. They are not cheap stuff, but again they don't produce noticeable and consistent result.

There are tons of youtube videos out there that people joke around the tuner, such as 2 cents tuner which is an elastic band, or $1 tuner which is nothing more than a stainless steel washer/nut from homedepot.

I think calling out something someone owns a myth really hurt their feelings. They feel the asset they value is bad-mouthed.
I certainly feel let down myself when the $300 KSS tuner doesn't deliver. But I admit it's a trash or a myth and just move on.

However most of people live in a self-denying or oblivious world. They don't admit their failures. When someone else points out the fact they are just mad.
That's why people don't tell truth or their true feelings towards something/someone anymore. How many times do you guys see an ugly baby and tell his/her parents "such as beautiful baby"? 100% time I guess. As to me, regardless the relationship between me and the parents, I just don't say anything. I didn't follow the trend but at least I didn't lie.

I am not going to entertain this thread anymore by posting more. This is the last one.
People who can not stomach an honest opinion are just not worth my time.
 
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adamg said:
I've been running a Red Knobb this year. I've been testing it when weather conditions permit, which is not often here.

My conclusion so far is that it is definitely the best value and most effective weight you can add to a rimfire to make it more front-heavy (due to how heavy it is and how far forward it sits). As to whether it improves accuracy overall on competition days through the year, I am not yet convinced. I will say that I have shot the smallest groups this rifle has ever done with it on during tuning sessions, but I'm not convinced that result stays consistent even in the same session, much less a month later on match day.

The product itself is definitely well made and functions well as a controllable, moveable weight that attaches to the muzzle and looks good.
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I said above I haven't been able to prove to myself that it makes my rifle shoot better. That said, I stll have it on my rifle. It's one of those things that if a guy could ever make it deliver better results, you'd have a huge edge on everyone else. Hard to give up on something like that.
 
adamg said:
I said above I haven't been able to prove to myself that it makes my rifle shoot better. That said, I stll have it on my rifle. It's one of those things that if a guy could ever make it deliver better results, you'd have a huge edge on everyone else. Hard to give up on something like that.
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I tried a barrel tuner on my cheap Savage FV-SR with Center-X that already shoots good enough for me at 50/100/200/300m (Lapua Center-X) but I can make it shoot worse with a tuner that's for sure! At 100m it did change group size when I rotate the weight around and around, but always shot the best on the same setting no matter how far it was screwed in or out and that wasn't really any better than shooting it without the tuner. Basically, in my mind anything other than the top tier rimfire ammo is just garbage no matter how you put it, I still love it though. I have easily reloaded .223 and 6.5cm in cheap centerfire rifles to shoot tighter, rimfire has its issues.
 
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